January 21, 2016 at 2:39 pm #5665NoahGuest
I am convinced this needs to happen-with or without Andrew’s help. There are hurdles that need to be overcome. First off tunes need to be written for his songs. Second, do enough people want this to happen that it would be worth it? Third, what about a recording studio and musicians to record this album (it needs to be polished). And technically we need Andrew’s help because he needs to give copyright access to his lyrics. Lastly, but most importantly we need God’s help.
January 22, 2016 at 3:19 pm #5678ElianaGuest
I am so for this! (this is Eliana by the way, I’ve changed my forum name) I can contribute tunes for the songs. I’m pretty sure that we could use Kickstarter to launch an album. Does anybody else have any ideas?
January 22, 2016 at 4:14 pm #5679NoahGuest
Andrew now knows that there are folks writing melodies now. I posted my video on twitter and he saw it and said he liked it. One thing that helps is how close one is to Andrew and whoever wants to work to this idea. I live about an hour and a half from Andrew. Yes, a Kickstarter is probably necessary. If anything we would need the support of this website’s blog post.
January 24, 2016 at 2:29 pm #5703NoahGuest
Can we make a list of the songs in the books? There are quite a few songs mentioned throughout but they don’t all have lyrics. I would say that an album would need all the written songs and then a few of the instrumental. These are the songs that have been written or are being written – Black Carriage, Boat-wright’s Daughter, My Love has Gone Across the Sea, and the one at the back of WATWK. (What is the name of that one Eliana?)
Yurgen’s Tune needs one.
January 24, 2016 at 3:13 pm #5704ElianaGuest
I don’t think that it has a name in the book but I call it The World Is Whispering. I have written a tune for The Legend Of The Sunken Mountains in the back of On The Edge. I’ll try to post here.
January 24, 2016 at 3:29 pm #5706NoahGuest
Okay thanks. I’m having trouble getting a tune for the chorus in Boatwright’s Daughter, but the verse is ready. I’ll post a video of the first verse and maybe you can write something for the chorus.
January 24, 2016 at 4:19 pm #5708NoahGuest
here it is –
January 24, 2016 at 4:20 pm #5709NoahGuest
January 25, 2016 at 11:54 pm #5721Miss MaryGuest
Hi, I am watching this thread, but I am not gifted at songwriting (either music or lyrics) so I really can’t help at all with that part of things.
From an adult perspective, there may be problems of copyright law that could get in the way of your fun. Like if Andrew gives you guys permission to record his songs before he does I am not sure whose version gets considered original and whether he could work himself into a legal nightmare if anyone did want to do a movie or a CD of his own.
I don’t know Andrew, and I don’t know enough about copyright law to know for sure that it WOULD be a problem, but I know it COULD be a problem.
I can tell from reading his books that he LOVES when people are inspired by something and it sparks their creativity, and encourages them to work on their gifts. So the fact that you even want to do this has to be a huge compliment to him.
One thing I had thought of, is that it would perhaps be easier to get rights to songs that are not written yet, just titles. Immediately after that I realized that if you read the books and find thoughts and themes that inspire you, mental pictures and places, characters and truths, some of you might be able to write Annieran songs with NO need to get rights from Andrew at all. They would be completely YOURS, but still Wingfeather themed and inspired.
Since I don’t write poetry at all myself (only did it when required in school and it was HARD), I realize how much more work that type of a project would be. If you were able to get a group of fans together that could do that though, I think it would be a truly amazing album, not just because it is inspired by the books, but because it would show how the books are speaking to real people. The songs written would reflect the themes that matter to the people writing them, combine that with music, and I think you would get a really amazing album.
Now I wish I was good at poetry or music or some part of that process so I could be in on the project.
January 26, 2016 at 8:00 am #5724NoahGuest
In most situations, the author of a song will be the individual composer or team of composer and lyricist. But situations occur where the members of the band have arranged to work as employees for the band as a corporation or limited liability company. In this case, band members would be creating the work as a work-for-hire, and the corporation/LLC would be the author. There are a few other situations where the composer will be asked to sign a work-for-hire agreement, but in all but rare cases, musicians should resist these arrangements.
January 26, 2016 at 8:36 am #5725NoahGuest
This is official and I think it answers the problem.
January 27, 2016 at 8:49 am #5740Aden LewisGuest
Hi! I just finished reading through this string, and think it’s a great idea. I would love to participate in this, although I don’t know what skill level of music this is requiring. I can play the piano pretty well, but have a hard time reading chord sheets and playing at the same time so I need to memorize the sheet, which I know I can do. I have started learning the guitar and know quite a few chords, but my fingers are not big enough to do bar chords yet because I’m not a adult… That could be an issue. Also, I want to know how we are going to make the music in the first place. Are we all going to get together and do it, or something else? If we are getting together, then where are we going to practice/preform? About songs that have not been written (as Miss Linda said) I think Yurgen’s* Tune might be a good one to try because as far as words I don’t think there are any that the book mentions.
* I don’t know if that how you spell “Yurgen” but I’m sure the spell check does not recognize it as a word so I’m stuck 🙂
January 27, 2016 at 12:02 pm #5745NoahGuest
I listed my video as private because I am going to polish it up. These links that I posted say that these tunes are derivative works. This means we need his written permission. But after that we are free from copyright problems.?
January 29, 2016 at 7:28 pm #5806Miss MaryGuest
Hi Aden, Hi Noah, I am not sure that most of these songs would be derivative works. “My love has gone across the Sea” would be because that has been composed and recorded already, but the others if you guys are the first to record then Andrew would be the lyricist and one or more of you would be the composer(s). That is where it gets sticky, especially if you guys are minors and scattered all over the country (or even the world).
I still really hope that an album of some sort gets made someday. Though I would not get to listen to it as much as I would like. P.S. to Aden…This is Miss Mary, not Miss Linda. To you it actually matters.
January 30, 2016 at 8:24 am #5820NoahGuest
I found a website here. http://www.askamusiclawyer.com/archive/can-i-use-a-poem-as-the-lyrics-for-my-song.html She is an actual lawyer. Dear Music Lawyer,
I found a poem online that I put to music. I want to record the song and put in on my next album, but I’m not sure if that’s legal. Any insight?
Poems are works capable of copyright protection. Thus, a poet could typically prohibit uses of the poem that implicate the exclusive rights held by the copyright holder (e.g., right to reproduce or distribute the poem).
More specifically, since you found an existing poem and are using that as the basis of a song, then you are preparing what’s known as a derivative work. The right to prepare derivative works is one of the exclusive rights belonging to the copyright holder. Therefore, the first order of business is identifying the copyright holder of the poem and researching when the poem was created and/or published to determine if the poem is still under the term of copyright protection.
If the poem was written before 1923 (under U.S. copyright law), you should be safe to set the poem to music because the poem would be in the public domain. However, if the poem is still within the term of copyright protection, then you must contact the copyright holder to negotiate a license to use the poem as the basis for your musical composition.
Unfortunately, there are no standard licensing terms for these types of derivative uses, but I would anticipate the copyright holder of the poem requesting part ownership of the musical composition, some sort of upfront payment (e.g., advance against royalties), and/or a percentage of revenues on the backend.
Tip: When negotiating with someone who may share ownership of your musical work, you are wise to have a written agreement that specifies who controls/administers licensing and exploitation of the co-owned work. Ideally, in this type of situation, the musician would be able to control 100% of the exploitation rights in the musical compositions and any recordings thereof, subject only to accounting to the poem’s owner for his/her share of royalties. Otherwise, the copyright holder of the poem may have the right to block certain uses of the song.
—Amy E. Mitchell
January 30, 2016 at 8:27 am #5821NoahGuest
Oh, and My Love Has Gone Across the Sea could be a derivative work if we had our own arrangement.(as stated in the earlier links.
January 30, 2016 at 6:22 pm #5823Miss MaryGuest
That does seem to be a very good explanation. The song would be a derivative work from the poem, but it would likely end up with both people as part holders of the copyright (unless they made some other contractual arrangement).
However you found that, she did a good job of explaining that.
July 14, 2016 at 8:12 am #8158mayajtGuest
I agree that this would be awesome, but I’m still not sure that it’s quite legal. Maybe we could get Andrew’s opinion (maybe!)? It would be really cool. I volunteer to come up with the beginnings of a tune for “The World is Whispering” and the song about the dragons at the end of On the Edge (“The summer sun hath split in twain the gilded summer moon and all who come again will hear the dragon’s lonesome tune” or something like that) – my favorites!
July 14, 2016 at 5:31 pm #8168Madame SidlerKeymaster
Dear musician-readers, it is so delightful to watch your conversations here. What an honor for Andrew to have other creators pick up his creation the way you’re doing. I really appreciate your concern for his copyright, and I’m sure he does, too—that is also very honoring. If you want to ask about official permission for any of these endeavors, email his manager. Go to his music page (Andrew-Peterson.com) and scroll all the way to the bottom, and you’ll find an email address. 🙂
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