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November 4, 2019 at 3:12 pm #41593
While I was reading the paragraph (on page 30, or Kindle #606) where Andrew was talking about his nerdy high school dreams coming true, it seemed to me like he was pointing to three things coming together, which I may as well call nerding, gifting, and longing.
Nerding: The influences he loved when he was young and still loves to geek out about, even if they’re obscure.
Gifting: The Bible education he received, and the musicianship he learned, both of which he can bring into his art-making to deepen it. (I think of these things as gifts, even though they take hard work, because they give back so much and receiving them is a grace, although natural gifting counts here too.)
Longing: The heart-desire for community that weaves its way through all of his work. (You’ve probably heard him talk about it. Probably a lot, if you’ve heard him very often.)
I’ve been thinking of something similar as I ask myself questions like “What am I for?” and “What should I write about for my Old Testament thesis?” For Andrew, nerdy rock & roll concept albums, the Bible, good music, and community all came together in BTLOG. For me, I nerd out about different things (like Hebrew and weird fiction), and the gifts I’ve received have been different also (although community is a theme for both of us, and I think should be included even if your heart-longing is a little different).
As Andrew would say at this point, “the point is,” what are your unique nerding-gifting-longing factors that might help you think through what you’re called to create? (Maybe it’s anime, or really good mustard, or art lessons, or gardening, or the desire for home that Andrew has also talked about in this book.)
(By the way, we don’t have to know all these things right away, and even if we do, we don’t have to know how they connect or what they will become. When Andrew was in high school he had no clue that all this was coming. But it is, I think, a fun thing to think about, and might give us some clues along the path.)
November 4, 2019 at 3:23 pm #41597EvelynGuest
Wow, this part really resonates with me. Lately I’ve been thinking a lot about the difference of my dreams as a small child and how they have changed and how I’ve invested so much into them, but haven’t really understood them.
And as the end of high school peeks its head and wiggles its eyebrows at me, I’ve realized how much I have taken for granted that what I’ve always said I wanted to be is what I will be or whether I should even try to pursue it. Is it what I’m really called to and gifted in? And what is at the seed of it? What do I long for?
Laying it out like this is very helpful. I’m glad to have an example too of how the three might fit together. 🙂
November 18, 2019 at 1:01 pm #42093
Evelyn, I do hope it’s helpful! I feel like at 40 I am still figuring this stuff out.
“What is at the seed of it?” is a great question. I think that for me, there were “seeds” of calling that when I was in high school and college I interpreted in certain ways, and now 20+ years later I am seeing those same seeds growing up in me in different ways, but they’re the same seeds. “Dreams changing” is a good way of putting it, too.
What do you think? Is vocation about finding “the thing,” or is it about embodying some core thing in different ways at different times? Are those two ideas even in conflict?
November 21, 2019 at 7:44 am #42254EvelynGuest
Yes, I’m noticing its a common theme, as I see all my older siblings are still questioning what their calling is and where they are suppose to be. (:
Is vocation about finding “the thing,” or is it about embodying some core thing in different ways at different times? Are those two ideas even in conflict?
I don’t think those two things are in conflict at all. I think it’s just how you look at it. From a human’s limited view in the moment – unsure and wandering – it would definitely feel like the first, but I think God works through who we are as people, shaping our dreams, and taking those core elements and showing us how we can use them to further His kingdom.
In a way its like sanctification, how we work and God changes us through that, and how we develop but we’re always heading the same way with the same overall goal.
November 22, 2019 at 12:12 pm #42295
I like that take, Evelyn. 🙂
November 24, 2019 at 1:12 pm #42331EvelynGuest
November 6, 2019 at 1:15 pm #41647Kara ChaseGuest
Nerding, gifting, and longing…a the trinity of creativity, n’est-ce pas? 🙂
I loved the Lord from a very young age, and so when I feel/experience something of beauty, mystery and marvel I have often associated it with being from Him to me. That is not to say I don’t struggle with looking for it elsewhere, because I do. And the years when I wasn’t walking with Him there were many times I still understood these experiences as being from Him.
My Nerding was not Nerdy to me. It was beautiful. Maybe that is a general comment everyone would agree upon.
When my parents divorced at age 8, I found myself eating boatloads of vanilla sandwich cookies while watching The Princess Bride. Over and over and over. I also imagined that movie as fitting perfectly with REO Speedwagon’s “In My Dreams”.
In High School I adored Theatre, movies like Mary Shelly’s Frankenstein, Bram Stoker’s Dracula, Last of the Mohican’s…pretty much anything of that decade that had girls with long princess hair and flowing gowns.
Music? Yes. Please. “Sweet Jane”, the cover by Cowboy Junkies still gets me. Every time.
Aretha Franklin to Al Green to Tom Petty to the Cure to Van Morrison to the Beatles to the Grateful Dead to MoTown to Tchaikovsky to CCR to Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. I could go on. And I wanted to be famous. 🙂
Gifting: I began writing songs and poems as a child. I just did it while I lived and didn’t try to further my skills. That’s pretty much what it’s like now. I write while I live. I must.
Longing: Like I said, I wanted to be famous. From a very young age. I didn’t call it that at 5 when I’d call everyone into my grandparents living room to watch me play the fireplace poker and sing “Holy Holy Holy” from their hearth step. I believe my longing has been to be known and understood. I differ from AP in the fact that from a young age I really wanted to be heard; I truly felt I had something to say/share/inspire. I don’t think I struggles as much with doubting whether I have something to say, as much as I doubt God’s desire for me to say it.
Madame Sidler, the very little I know of Hebrew is fascinating. I just found out last year that my Grandmother is 50% Ashkenazi Jew. Which makes me over 12% Jewish. I feel like I’ve won the genealogical jackpot.
November 18, 2019 at 1:03 pm #42094
Ah, what a great long list of things you’ve loved! That is so cool to hear!
Do you feel like that longing, first to be famous, then to be known and understood, connects with what you’ve talked about in other threads—wanting to sing for the sake of other young girls who need to hear similar things?
November 19, 2019 at 12:40 pm #42151Kara ChaseGuest
Yes, I see how they are connected and I feel like God is in the process of redeeming a selfish desire and potentially using it for His Kingdom work.
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