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April 21, 2018 at 12:29 pm #25844Ian G.Guest
I suppose I’ve waited long enough, so here goes:
What did you all enjoy about Ember Rising? What did you not expect? Do you have any new favorite characters?
I must say that this is my favorite in the series so far. For once the ending was mostly satisfactory (though I’m still itching to find out what happens next!). Here were a few of my favorite parts:
-The reunion we’ve been waiting for since book 1.
-An EPIC plot
-Although we are given a lot of Helmer’s story through dialogue, I would love a book about more of his backstory.
-More well-timed explosions
-That last chapter!
There’s lots more, but I don’t want to say everything right now. Happy discussing!
June 8, 2018 at 10:38 pm #29649ArthamGuest
JO SHANKS IS AWESOME
he had to be the last archer again of course and i am glad he didn’t die. Heather and smalls at the ending was predictable but still great. Helmer is still the best.
June 8, 2018 at 10:41 pm #29650ArthamGuest
One thing i don’t get is why emma is the ruler instead of whit. I figured aunt joane’s tonic would come in to play somewhere.
October 23, 2018 at 9:44 am #32037Audrey AlexanderGuest
I don’t think whit thinks highly enough of himself to ever want to rule, even if he had to. one thing I wondered is if heather can use what’s left of aunt Jone’s tonic to save smalls. I mean, you would think there should be some sort if special-ness to the tonic since aunt Jone was so enthusiastic about it, right? a writer doesn’t put that kind of thing in a story for no reason! there has to be more to it than just healing, right? (wishfully thinking, anyways…)
October 23, 2018 at 7:32 pm #32038Ian G.Guest
“A writer doesn’t put that kind of thing in a story for no reason.” We’ll put.
It seems that Smalls is already alive at the end of book 3, though… perhaps the tonic could save Heather!
Oh the possibilities!
October 23, 2018 at 7:33 pm #32039Ian G.Guest
*well put, not we’ll put*
October 23, 2018 at 8:00 pm #32040ArthamGuest
There’s probably enough tonic for both of them. Who do you think will kill Morbin Blackhawk? I think it should be Wilfred or Heather’s dad. I think it should be a longtreader and I don’t want it to be Picket or Heather. Also I wonder if Garten will turn before he dies.
October 23, 2018 at 9:16 pm #32041Audrey AlexanderGuest
just curious, why wouldn’t you want Heather or Picket to kill Morbin? it seems that if morbin is so evil, certainly there is a reason? could it be something bad in his past? I mean, I know he’s evil and murder-y and all, but maybe he could be turned good? I don’t know, maybe it’s just my brain resulting to such low levels of thought in the absence of another green ember book to read… LOL!
October 23, 2018 at 10:53 pm #32049Ian G.Guest
Not sure about Morbin, but at this point I mostly just want Garten to get what’s coming to him. He’s back stabbed pretty much everyone, and literally stabbed his niece.
October 24, 2018 at 10:00 am #32056Audrey AlexanderGuest
yeah. as morbid as it sounds, I really am looking forward to Morbin and Garten (and pretty much every antagonist) to get a taste of their own medicine. I probably was just over complicating things with the theory about Morbin possibly turning good…I mean can birds even go Vegan? the answer is no… LOL!
October 23, 2018 at 9:24 pm #32042Audrey AlexanderGuest
Good point Ian! I hadn’t thought of the tonic being used for Heather! does anyone have any theories of Flint and Fay?
October 23, 2018 at 9:53 pm #32043ArthamGuest
S. D. Smith had plans to do some sort of graphic novel about the stuff before Blackstar of Kingston
October 23, 2018 at 10:48 pm #32048Ian G.Guest
Wait… “had” or “has”?
October 24, 2018 at 10:03 am #32057Audrey AlexanderGuest
are you talking about The Wreck and Rise of Whitson Meriner?
June 8, 2018 at 11:11 pm #29652Ian G.Guest
Yes, Jo is great, especially after learning all about him in The Last Archer. Helmer has to be one of my favorite characters now (he has a heart!).
I think Whit didn’t come to rule because he was stuck in the First Warren (though it would also seem to me against his character to try and rule even if he could, since he hadn’t really been there for his siblings).
As for Jone’s tonic, to put it in the words of S.D. Smith,
“Heather almost stopped a moment, thinking she saw the large form of Master Mills, the rabbit she had seen fade toward death before her very eyes.”
Ember Rising, Chapter 47
(Heather had given Mills the tonic earlier)
June 9, 2018 at 7:50 am #29675ArthamGuest
I have a theory. I think lady glenn amd maggie weaver are sisters. I also think sween is somehow related to them.
June 9, 2018 at 9:31 am #29688ArthamGuest
I think it is possible that kylen was adopted by bleston and is realy the son of garten and when perkinson said “he’s not even…” I wonder if he was going to say “he’s not even blestons son.” In the ember falls forum I saw you referenced charlie brown, I am a huge fan
June 9, 2018 at 1:18 pm #29696Ian G.Guest
Wow, those are really interesting theories, and given the other secret identities that have surfaced, I wouldn’t be too surprised if those actually happened! If Maggie was Lady Glen’s sister, then she’d be Emma’s, Smalls’, Whit’s, etc.’s aunt, right? And Kyle would be Heather and Picket’s cousin (!). Very interesting, indeed.
Great to find another Peanuts fan!
October 11, 2018 at 7:52 am #31936Audrey AlexanderGuest
if that is true, which is possible, someone should probably warn Heather that she’s in love with her relative…
October 12, 2018 at 1:04 am #31941Ian G.Guest
Lol. That would be awkward… probably not going to happen. That’d really ruin any epicness in book 4.
October 12, 2018 at 1:06 am #31942Ian G.Guest
I hadn’t thought of that. 😞
October 23, 2018 at 9:59 pm #32044ArthamGuest
Lady Glenn could still be the sister of Maggie but when I asked Mr. Smith about it at the homeschool convention he said that he liked the idea of Maggie being a random stranger.
I think there is still some mystery about Kylen’s past and hope that Mr. Smith’s ideas are better than mine
The Black Star of Kingston explained the birds but he don’t know about the origin of the wolves yet so maybe they are tied in with Flint and Fey.
October 23, 2018 at 10:06 pm #32045Audrey AlexanderGuest
those are good theories. so jealous about the convention!! I don’t think there are any out here in Texas, could be wrong, though.
October 23, 2018 at 10:28 pm #32046ArthamGuest
There is one in texas at houston. And that one has Douglass Gresham who isn’t going to the MO one. I want to go to the cincinati one again because that one has more of the speakers than the MO one.
October 23, 2018 at 11:05 pm #32050Ian G.Guest
What exactly do you mean by “origin”? You mean how they became against the rabbits?
The thing is, wolves and birds of prey are predators in real life, so it’s kind of natural that they would be bad guys in a story about rabbits. This raises some tough moral/theological questions; Are wolves, eagles, etc. doomed to be evil? They are depicted as evil as opposed to just trying to survive (since that wouldn’t be a very good book.) Can they be good? Was there a perfect created order that was ruined, giving all creatures the capacity for evil, but making predators more inclined to kill?
Tough questions. Maybe we should just not think about it…
October 24, 2018 at 9:45 am #32054ArthamGuest
When I asked Mr. Smith last year at the GHC he told me that he wanted to do a graphic novel so I don’t know if that’s still his plan. I meant when did the wolves start fighting the rabbits since they weren’t in Black Star. I wonder if there could be a good wolf or bird.
The terrilan soldiers are going to win the day because of the foreshadowing in the fifth chapter that something like “Picket deciding to not fight them may end up wining the war.
Do you think Picket will get the unbreakable stone sword that Flint had and Lander hid? I wonder if the the green ember will be the key or maybe it has something to do with Smalls’s black scarf he gave Picket.
October 24, 2018 at 10:27 am #32058Audrey AlexanderGuest
I hadn’t thought of the scarf! good point! I wonder what makes the scarf so special to smalls? it could just be a fun memory, or just that he likes the scarf. I mean, we know it’s special to Picket because it belonged to Smalls. could the scarf originally belonged to Smalls father? also, we don’t really know about Smalls past. we do know that when Picket was on the boat with him, Wilfred, and Heather, in the the first book, he upset Smalls and Smalls let it slip that he had had several really bad experiences. of course, his family is dead, his siblings betrayed him, (except Emma), but could there be more to cause such bitterness? I mean, it’s obviously been several years since the death of the king, could more bad stuff happened since then to Smalls?
October 24, 2018 at 2:13 pm #32059ArthamGuest
I think that having his father’s murderer and betrayer be in command of the entire world and all his siblings denying him except for his sister who doesn’t even know that she is his sister would be enough bitterness to last awhile.
The Wreck and Rise of Whitson Mariner is (I think) after The Black Star of Kingston.
One thing I didn’t like about Ember Rising is that Helmer kept on supposedly dying at the end of each chapter. I hope he lives to the end of the series.
October 27, 2018 at 8:49 am #32087Audrey AlexanderGuest
yeah. what can I say… some authors like to kill characters, some like to kill then resurrect characters, and some like to almost kill characters.
June 9, 2018 at 9:02 pm #29730ArthamGuest
I read all of the peanuts and I will soon own all of them. The best character is snoopy
October 12, 2018 at 9:07 am #31948HannahGuest
I agree that Peanuts is wonderful- Charles Schulz is an amazing artist. Personally, I think the best character is Linus, but Snoopy is very funny.
October 12, 2018 at 2:35 pm #31949ArthamGuest
I think I might have changed my mind, I might like woodstock and spike more than snoopy.
Did you know that Snoopy and Woodstock probably have completely opposite myers-briggs personality types?
October 24, 2018 at 6:53 pm #32062ArthamGuest
According to the Green Ember Wiki, Heather and Smalls are currently inside the tomb of Lander’s dragons on forbidden island. That’s where Flint’s stone sword might be!
October 24, 2018 at 7:13 pm #32063Ian G.Guest
I am inclined to agree. I am not alone in my conclusion, then. I bet TWaRoWM will make Book 4 all the better (perhaps it will confirm some theories? I hope so). 😆 SO EXCITED!
October 27, 2018 at 8:42 am #32086Audrey AlexanderGuest
January 12, 2019 at 8:37 pm #33736Audrey AlexanderGuest
wow! The Wreck and Rise of Whitson Mariner was AWESOME! It really cleared up a lot of things I had been wondering and Lander was a pretty cool character! it definitely took some crazy turns and twists. Did it open up any more theories for any of ya’ll? I think it definitely validated a few of my theories, proving a few correct:) I’m so excited! 😀
January 13, 2019 at 1:18 am #33740Ian G.Guest
It was indeed awesome.
(Longer post to follow when time permits)
March 7, 2019 at 8:02 pm #34788Ian G.Guest
Once upon a time (nearly 2 months ago), I said a longer post was to follow. *Sighs* Where did the time go?
WARNING: Here be spoilers aplenty, readers. And it might get really long, like, essay long.
There is so much to say about The Wreck and Rise of Whitson Mariner. In all, I think it is an excellent followup to Black Star, picking up not too long after. The action was good, I loved the character development, and the plot was great (though short). It introduced some very interesting (and long hinted at) concepts to Natalia.
First off, the dragons; while I was sort of hoping for literal dragons, monitor lizards made a lot of sense, given that “monsters” in Black Star were raptor birds. “Lander’s Dragons” were given mention waaaaay back in The Green Ember, and now we know what they are.
I loved the character development, as we see past characters getting more “page time,” such as Lord Grant and Walters, as well as the royal family. The theme of love within a family was very strong in this story, more so than in Black Star, I feel.
Some other things I liked were: Galt coming back (somehow I didn’t expect it), hints at who built Seven Mounds and Cloud Mountain, more about Flint and Fay, and even the beginning of Terrelain, perhaps?
Like a good space exploration mission, this book left us with more questions than answers.
It is hinted (or at least I’m guessing) that the dragons tie in with Forbidden Island… how? What happened to them?
Food for thought: How do rabbits age in this world? Lander has grown a good bit, it seems, and Jacks (book 3) went from a baby to being fairly self-sufficient in one year. Heather’s father also says that she’s grown when he reunites with her, so neither she nor Picket were adults at the beginning of the main series, which occurred about 13 years after King Jupiter’s death, I think. If Heather was a baby at that time, that would make her somewhere around 14-16 by Ember Rising. So it seems they grow up a little faster than humans, right? Or maybe not?
I have more thoughts, but I’ll hold them for now. That was long enough, I think. If you made it this far, congrats.
March 8, 2019 at 6:42 pm #34809ArthamGuest
I wasn’t surprised about Galt coming back, but I missed the hints at who built seven mounds and cloud mountain somehow.
So we can assume that Lander will hide the sword in the dragon’s cave and I wonder what power it has besides the stuff we already know.
Didn’t Heather and Picket spend a long time at cloud mountain so wouldn’t that knock off the aging of them that you have or did you factor that in already?
Also I was surprised when sarahmack came back because S. D. Smith threatened to kill her off. (Sarahmack’s name comes from Sarah Mackenzie Mr. Smith once told her that Sarahmack would have to die in the next book)
I don’t have any new theories at the moment I’ll think of some
March 16, 2019 at 1:32 pm #34955Ian G.Guest
That’s funny, I never noticed Saramack’s name was a reference to anyone. It makes perfect sense, though. I assume Captain Sutfinn is named after Joe Sutphin, but has Mr. Smith worked with Joe Suthpin before? (Quite honestly I would love to see Mr. Sutphin do GE illustrations. He would nail it.) I wonder what other names are cleverly hidden in the books? Witmer is the only other one that comes to mind.
As to your other questions, Artham, I’ll have to double-check. Unfortunately, it can be hard to find specific clues or details in a full length book without being ready to the whole thing.
April 25, 2019 at 1:32 pm #35737Kate H.Guest
OH MY GOODNESS! There is seriously other Green Ember fans here? I’M A HUGE FAN!!!!!! Okay, now done to talking…
April 25, 2019 at 2:19 pm #35739Kate H.Guest
Sorry, I meant ‘down’. Anyway…
I think the fact that the ‘dragons’ aren’t actual dragons keeps the story from being too much of a fantasy because all the creatures actually exist.
April 25, 2019 at 2:27 pm #35740ArthamGuest
Also the dragons size vs rabbits size would be too much unless he shrunk the dragons which would make it a little underwelming
April 25, 2019 at 2:32 pm #35741Kate H.Guest
I’m pretty sure Galt founded Terralain. He said he was going to start ‘a community based on peace and equality’. That sounds like Terralain alright. As a student of languages, I can’t help but see that ‘Terralain’ could mean ‘other land’.
I was reading Ember Rising again a few days ago (for the 17th time) and it was during the part when they were talking about Flint’s sword with the master smith at Harbone (Hames? Hems? Hame? Can’t remember!). He was saying that the sword may be with the dragon seeds. It has also been mentioned that the dragon seeds are in a tomb. Since they are referred to as Lander’s dragons, I can only assume the story went somewhat like this:
The dragons were defeated. The last dragon eggs were hidden away underground, along with a few precious artifacts, by Lander at some point. The location of the tomb was lost.
[100 years later]
Smalls is found by Heather in a ‘tomb’ (I use the word tomb because that is how Morbin referred to the place where Smalls lay). In Heather’s dreams, the floor is covered with mossy ‘stones’. A voice is heard saying, “They will awaken/arise and shake the world.”
This is what I think will happen:
Heather heals herself and Smalls with Aunt Jones tonic (which turns out to be some sort of powerful healing potion/medicine. I draw this conclusion from the healing of Master Mills (?)). They find that the ‘stones’ are actual dragon eggs…
Yeah, I have no clue after that.
April 25, 2019 at 3:15 pm #35746ArthamGuest
Yep that is pretty much what I think.
April 25, 2019 at 3:54 pm #35750Ian G.Guest
An excellent conclusion! I agree fully, but I’m just not sure how the dragons are going to shake the world…
May 1, 2019 at 7:22 pm #35927Kate H.Guest
Here is a little bit more food for thought on this topic:
I was re-reading The Green Ember and Emma said something interesting.
“I don’t know about saying [lighthall is] ‘forbidden’, like it’s the secret tomb of Lander’s Dragons….”
Forbidden… as in Forbidden Island? I know everyone probably assumes Forbidden Island is where Heather and Smalls are, but I like to operate on the drawing of evidence from the text.
I know I’m treating this like some sort of philosophical or scientific question/hypothesis and I know its weird, but please bear with me.
Facts and known truths:
1. There is a secret tomb for Lander’s Dragons.
2. The dragon tomb is referenced as Forbidden.
3. There is an island outside of First Warren called Forbidden Island.
4. ‘Forbidden Island’ is not a misnomer because Helmer and Snodden got in severe trouble for swimming there.
5. It has been mentioned that Smalls has been buried in a tomb.
6. Heather is on an island.
7. Heather has a disturbing dream that so far has come true. In it, she finds herself on some sort of ‘eggs’.
1. Heather’s dreams are prophetic.
2. Forbidden Island is a cursed place for rabbits.
3. Dragons still have the possibility of existence because of some sort of seed (presumably dragon eggs).
Somewhat assumptive conclusion/s:
1. Heather is on Forbidden Island. I draw this conclusion from the fact that Picket (in Ember Rising) looks at Forbidden Island and thinks of his sister, wishing she were with him. Other evidence above.
2. Forbidden Island is the tomb of Lander’s Dragons. Look to my list of facts and assumptions above
I feel like a complete nerd right now. Sorry! I guess I need some place to dump these thoughts.
April 25, 2019 at 2:35 pm #35742Kate H.Guest
Hey, I just had a sudden thought (happens a lot to me). What’s with the pattern on the back of the Green Ember? It is only subtly mentioned, but there is some sort of design etched in the gold… Any ideas?
April 25, 2019 at 2:53 pm #35744Kate H.Guest
Has anyone else realized how similar the Akolan/First Warren society is to Communist Russia? What with the indoctrination of the younglings and the not-so-subtle ‘the administration is the cause of all good things, so you better be good (or else!)’ vibe.
Did you know that the Russian independence day is called victory day? While I and my family were reading Ember Rising, we were actually in Russia for their Victory Day!! It totally reminded me of what happened in First Warren for Victory Day (minus the battle, the taking of the younglings, etc.). There was a huge square in front of a huge palace with a balcony. There was also a tall pillar in the center of the square with a statue on top. Those kind of similarities.
April 25, 2019 at 3:18 pm #35747ArthamGuest
Cool! I got the whole brainwashing youth being similar to communism but didn’t know about victory day.
May 5, 2019 at 5:01 am #36030LelaGuest
I was thinking it was like China, the children get given red neck ties as a mark of their loyalty to China.
Also they get brain washed by going to school for hours.
In primary school they get up at seven and go to bed at ten.
However what you said matches too, maybe S.D. Smith used a mixture.
May 6, 2019 at 12:34 pm #36108Audrey AlexanderGuest
very nice theory Lela!! What do you think will happen in the next book? if Smalls isn’t actually dead, then we should assume that another death for a different character may be in order.
also, Ian, I don’t think there’s anyone named “everybody” on this website–could be wrong, though. I guess it’d be almost as bad as a mother naming her child “Morbin”
Morbin: “mom, why’d you name me Morbin? isn’t that awfully close to…Morbid?”
mother: “Oh, simple. you’re a bird that kills cute bunnies and rips their flesh off, eating them alive.”
Morbin: “but…but you do that too. Not to mention the hundreds of other animals that eat each other.”
“ah…yes…but you’re going to be the main antagonist in a books series, so you have to have a tragic name.”
JK, thanks, Ian. Morbin may have actually changed his name from something like Tommy to Morbin…lol. since we actually don’t know what the bird culture is like in this series, it could be anything from they don’t name their children, but let their children name themselves, to extremely weird carnivore parents that think that names like, Gore, Dead, and Morbin are popular pretty names. In real life, different species of raptors reach maturity at different ages. for instance, the Bald Eagle reaches maturity at four to five years of age, and its famous white head does not began to actually have white feathers until they are five to six years old. Redtail hawks reach maturity at two years of age, and interestingly, only 20 percent of them survive their first year of life. this is due to many things, disease, parasites, pesticides and even structures such as buildings that have large windows, also cars, etc. 365 days in a year. So 730 days from birth until a Redtail hawk is mature. A Redtail hawk is 2 to 3 months old when it leaves its parents and 42 days old when it fledges. how the raptor world works in the Green Ember, is yet to be seen.
By the way, I hope my rather gorry jokes don’t bother anyone, I’m kind of used to it by now.
May 8, 2019 at 1:36 am #36247LelaGuest
Maybe Emma or Picket will die, I don’t think Heather will if Smalls isn’t dead and for some reason I don’t think Helmer will die now, maybe because he’s met his family.
Don’t worry about the jokes I don’t mind as long as you don’t show a video (though it probably would be okay as there animals not humans. Definitely don’t show a video of humans getting ripped up. Yuck.)
May 5, 2019 at 11:17 pm #36075Ian G.Guest
Welcome to the forum, Lela!
I didn’t know about the red tie thing. That’s really relevant. I mostly based my Communist Russia comparison off of phrases they use and the vibe I got from them. But the communist China thing actually fits really well too.
(I’m now realizing that I don’t think I welcomed anyone else when they first showed up. Oops. Welcome everybody!!!)
April 25, 2019 at 3:21 pm #35748Kate H.Guest
Yeah! It’s chilling to think that things like that actually happened (again, minus the taking of the younglings for food). I guess that’s why parents like using these books as a springboard into conversations about that type of thing. I have to say, Ember Rising was dark in many ways! I have a feeling it’s just going to get more so (but also more AMAZING! HOPEFUL! PASSIONATE!) from now on.
April 25, 2019 at 3:53 pm #35749ArthamGuest
Who do you think will kill Morbin? I really want wilfred or their dad to do you think Garten will turn good again? And do you think Sween has some sort of special power because Garten seemed kind of scared of her?
April 26, 2019 at 9:27 am #35776Audrey AlexanderGuest
as far as will Garten turn good…I have a theory on that. he stabbed Heather in the middle, missing all her vital organs, wouldn’t such an experienced killer stab her in the gut or somewhere really painful where her death would be long and agonizing, but she definitely would die? And while I’m on the topic of death and caves and heather…i might as well talk about Smalls.
just imagine, you’re Morbin Blackhawk. you finally have the chance to capture your worst enemy, the son to the king, the rabbit that wants to take the throne from you. except, your not the one who actually found him. one of your soldiers did. surely you knew that this was possible to happen? you probably have told all your soldiers that if they should stumble upon Smalden, they must bring to you so that you may exact your revenge upon him yourself. whether this ends in his death or something worst…somthing like a long life where he wishes he were dead.
I believe Smalls is alive in that cave. I believe Morbin Blackhawk tortured him until he was near death, then threw him in the cave to be his prisoner. whenever Morbin feels the other side is winning, he can go to the cave, sit at the top where he can see in, then gloat to Smalls. gloat about his wounds, gloat about how the resistance will fail (which we know is totally not true, but what does someone who is pure evil do when they feel as though they are loosing? they gloat about how they are going to win) and now that Heather is also in the cave, with her medicine bag, she can help Smalls and together they can find a way to escape. but it won’t end there, no. Morbin is not dumb. he is expecting an escape attempt. no doubt, it will take Picket’s help to free them. and, i actually have several theories about other solid ways Smalls could be alive. the possibilities are endless:)
April 25, 2019 at 3:56 pm #35751Ian G.Guest
Wow this discussion is suddenly very fast-paced. Akolan is indeed communist, but I didn’t know about that Victory Day fact. Very interesting.
April 26, 2019 at 9:20 am #35775Audrey AlexanderGuest
I just hope SD doesn’t kill Helmer. He kept on almost killing him in Ember Rising. also, your theories are great Kate H.! so excited to have another Green Ember theorist on here!! I found it interesting that such seemingly important rabbits like Flint and Fay would have the end of their story so blurred. Like no one seems to know about the artifacts, what they do, where they are. no one talks about what happened to Flint and Fay, yet there are songs made about them and statues, etc. that suggests (to me anyway) that either their death was very boring, normal, you know, died of old age or something. OR…their death was brutal and should have cut out the light they brought. BUT the rabbits were not ready to give up hope, so they held on to Flint and Fay’s extraordinary feats, completely ignoring and hiding the truth of their death. such a delicate matter would be left alone because hope is delicate. And secrets form in even the most out there battles. Secrets that hide in history, in dark and light, in fear and happiness. anyway, i really hope that Smalls is alive too, and there ARE theories that support that theory, but also I just know SD wouldn’t risk killing him off now, because of the many threats he keeps getting from his fans like: “IF SMALLS ISNT ALIVE IM GOING TO BURN ALL YOUR BOOKS!” then:
“if smalls is dead I’m going to EXPLODE” and so on. you get the idea. then there’s the meme where someone’s holding a sword to SD and the caption is: “me if Smalls is dead”. then there’s the fact that SD’s stories rest on the base of hope and uplifting tales of heroics, that being said, how can he kill the light that obviously has got all of his fans worrying and threatening his books? How can he kill the hope that the rebels have built their fight on? OR…SD has guts and we don’t give his cruelty enough credit, and being an author myself, WHAT A GREAT DEATH HE HAS MADE!! I mean, as an author death scenes are precious. And I found myself admiring his choice of victim. not because I want smalls dead, I DON’T, but because it makes you grip the other characters better. think about it, if Smalls hadn’t supposedly “died” would you have been as scared for Helmer every time it seemed his end was near? would you have been as worried for Picket and Heather every time they did something dangerous? SD “killing” Smalls showed us that anything can happen to our favorite characters. that he isn’t going to keep them in a safety bubble, he’s going to risk their lives, and take their lives constantly. it puts his story on a whole other level. Anyways, sorry for the long post ya’ll! …I might be a nerd…
April 26, 2019 at 9:37 am #35777ArthamGuest
first of all I think we all are nerds, fortunately we are the good type. Second I don’t think Smalls is going to die and I think the fact that Lord Rake and Lord Ramnor died made me worry about Helmer more than Small’s “death” did. If I were to guess about who would die I would say it could be: Helmer, Wilfred, and/or Heather’s Dad. I think those three have a high possibility of dying while Garten and Morbin need to die. Jo Shanks Emma, and Sween are the two I really don’t think will die. Smalls, Heather, and Picket probably won’t die because main characters usually don’t but it is the last book so who knows? I kind of think that Flint and Fey died a peaceful death.
April 26, 2019 at 9:38 am #35778ArthamGuest
whoops Jo, Emma, and Sween are the three not two.
April 26, 2019 at 1:50 pm #35787Ian G.Guest
Regarding the communism thing, I love it when authors bring in these real world themes into their stories without harming the story. Putting political or social agenda above good storytelling isn’t good writing. Thankfully, Sam approaches this kind of thing well.
(Wait, I feel like I’ve commented that before. This is weird. Oh, it was probably about the Saga.)
April 25, 2019 at 4:16 pm #35753ArthamGuest
Have you guys noticed the hidden funny lines in the copyright? Funny lines are in most of the rabbit room books and all the Green ember ones.
April 26, 2019 at 9:40 am #35779Audrey AlexanderGuest
sorry for so many posts at once, but I thought of something else. I was reading the Green Ember book again, (I’ve read it 45 times now, just trying to find hints to different stuff and so on) and I found something interesting: In the beginning of the book, Heather has a “dream” about “Jupiter”. Further along in the series, we find out she has prophetic dreams. back to the beginning of the book, Heather tells Picket that she dreamed of Jupiter in victory. Picket points out that she always has good dreams. Heather comments that they’re always VIVID. so, could it be, that maybe she wasn’t dreaming of Jupiter, but of his son (Smalls) after he takes the throne and wins the battle against Morbin? Maybe she’s been having prophetic dreams of the future for a while. think about it, when she’s in the cave with smalls, she KNOWS what she’s going to see as soon as she rolls over. she has NO doubt that her dream was real. That Smalls is in that cave. So, this could mean that Smalls IS alive because she saw him win the battle. it could also mean that she’s been having prophetic dreams about Smalls reign for a while now. on the flip side, could it be she saw INTO THE PAST? that she DID see Jupiter while he was in reign? but it wasn’t just her imagination making it up, she actually SAW HIM. And in that case, if she can also see into the past, (which is not as likely as my first theory on her dream of Jupiter because seeing into the past AND future makes it more of a superpower, and less of just a prophetic thing. making the story more of a fairy tale type thing or Marvel thing.) then maybe she can see or has already seen, Flint and Fay, and Blackstar, etc.
April 26, 2019 at 10:08 am #35782ArthamGuest
I think that is a great theroy and i think it makes a lot of sense but I kind of hope that isn’t the case because I like that Heather and Picket don’t have special power they are just doing the best with the gifts they have but they are still normal.
April 26, 2019 at 9:41 am #35780Kate H.Guest
I completely agree with you about Smalls’ death (from an author’s perspective)! I too have written death scenes and IT IS HARD, especially if they’re not coming back! It’s like killing a child! And Smalls? He was an awesome character! Yeah, if he’s dead now, I’m going to seriously fear for everyone.
I totally agree about Helmer! After Smalls’ “death” (?), I was really scared that he would be next!
April 26, 2019 at 10:10 am #35783ArthamGuest
Personally I found Smalls kind of boring but I still don’t want him to die
April 26, 2019 at 9:52 am #35781Kate H.Guest
If I’m not a Green Ember nerd, I don’t know what is! But that’s okay, I love it! I’m actually not so scared for Helmer, because he’s basically Picket’s father right now. And Weezie’s uncle. He’s pretty important!
April 26, 2019 at 1:41 pm #35786Ian G.Guest
Oh my gosh, all of this discussion is AMAZING! Kate, I love your theory about Heather’s dreams. It’s fairly clear that her dreams are prophetic in a way, but I hadn’t thought about extrapolating that quality to her past dreams!
To be honest, I was worried about Helmer, mostly because he had become such an important and lovable character I really didn’t want to lose him.
Artham, yes I have noticed the copyright jokes. Whenever a new book arrives, I always make sure to check for that.
I’m so glad all of us nerds are here to discuss these things! It’s really great.
Another thought; will we ever see non-evil characters of other species in these stories? When “Father” (anyone remember his name?) is telling Heather and Picket about King Jupiter, he mentions that alliances were made with small birds and squirrels and such. The main series has been all rabbits and enemies so far, so I don’t expect this to happen in book 4, but maybe in another series? (I don’t think I’ve ever brought that up on this forum before…)
April 26, 2019 at 4:41 pm #35788ArthamGuest
I often wondered what other animals existed in that world. When Picket first entered cloud mountain he said “I could eat a horse” so how in the world would that work? So he at least knows the word horse but does that mean there are horses in that world? I doubt we will ever know
April 26, 2019 at 5:22 pm #35789Ian G.Guest
Yeah, horses would be awkward. I’m guessing Sam wasn’t thinking about the implications of that figure of speech when he wrote that scene. Smaller animals might work well, though.
(On somewhat of a sidenote, there’s that one weird scene in Redwall with the horse and the cart… other authors would do well to avoid that kind of thing. There was also the oddness of having abbeys and churches without any kind of religion. Redwall was good, but it’s one of those things you don’t want to analyze too much. Don’t even get me started on Outcast of Redwall…)
But you’re probably right. I doubt inclusion of other species is high on Sam’s (hypothetical) priority list. And horses would most likely just be weird.
April 26, 2019 at 7:22 pm #35792Kate H.Guest
Ian G.: Heather’s father’s name is Whittle, I think.
I really hope Kylen comes to his senses! Wasn’t Tameth Seer poisoning him?
We haven’t heard from Uncle Wilfred since the battle of Rockback Valley. I really hope he didn’t die.
April 26, 2019 at 7:45 pm #35793Ian G.Guest
Yep, It’s Whittle. I can never remember that name.
I too hope Kylen can redeem himself. Tameth is the true bad guy there. (Poisoning is strongly hinted.)
Wilfred wasn’t mentioned in book 3 at all, was he? I hadn’t realized that before.
Have you any thoughts about the fate of the Akolaners? They get left on a cliffhanger in the middle of their great escape, while Heather is separated from them. I wonder if book 4 will follow their plot line directly (since the Longtreaders are there) or if it will be through Heather or Pick later on? As far as I can remember, narration has only followed Heather, Picket, and Emma, briefly.
(Fact check: FALSE)
As I typed that, I realized that Sween’s point of view was also included directly in Ember Falls, so I suppose Book 4 will likely narrate from the positions of Heather (with Smalls!!!), Picket (with all his resistance buddies), and the rest of the Longtreaders (with the escapees). It can’t come soon enough, but then again you can’t rush a good story.
*That ended up much longer than I originally intended
April 26, 2019 at 7:58 pm #35794Kate H.Guest
I really hope the Akolaners got out on the ships. That’s all I can say.
I think the narration will be from Heather, Picket, and maybe one other character (that seems to be a pattern).
I’m wondering when Picket and Heather will see eachother again. There are so many reunions I’m waiting for!!! Picket and his family, Maggie and Edward Weaver… Can you think of any more? Oh, Smalls and Uncle Wilfred (if he’s alive)! I wonder what Emma is going to say when she sees Smalls again!
There are so many unanswered questions! I have a feeling we can’t even imagine what’s going to happen next. There are so many ways the story could go!!
Do you think book 4 will be the last one? He’s spending a lot of time on it! I wonder how much longer it’ll take!!! Whenever it comes out, it’s going to be amazing!
April 26, 2019 at 8:16 pm #35796ArthamGuest
The fourth will be the last one in the green ember but he will make more about the world (Probably with Lander and maybe Golden Coast?) I think that the fourth should be coming out soon, Sam didn’t do any of the Great Homeschool Conventions this year so he could finish it.
I would think that the Akolaners would get on the ships it would be strange for them to not make it. I think that the narration will be from Picket’s, Heather’s, and Sween’s point of view and possibly Emma’s and/or Jo’s. It would be interesting to see it from Garten’s point of view I wonder if that will happen I kind of doubt it though. I hope that Whittle doesn’t die because too many dads die in stories.
April 26, 2019 at 8:19 pm #35797Audrey AlexanderGuest
Yeah, book four is going to be GREAT! but, as you said, there’s no rushing a good book. for every new character he makes, he has to make a bloodline, a history, friends, job, location, future, etc. not to mention he has to grow the characters he already has, extend the plot, add descriptions, locations, attitudes, and so on. then he has to find out if he wants to end it on a cliff hanger, wrap it up and end the series, and if he ends the series, how’s he going to end it? on just hope of the new kingdom? will he go through the whole process of repairing the kingdom? he has to figure out if he wants subplots, if so, what characters will it involve? how far into history and future will it reach? he also will have to find a way to answer and grow the seeds he planted in the first, second and third books if he wants to end the series on the fourth.
April 26, 2019 at 8:11 pm #35795Audrey AlexanderGuest
I really liked Kyle before he turned traitor. Honestly, he was my favorite character. there’s always that one super sarcastic arrogant, teller of tall tales. and yep, comedy relief! it’s great. but now Kyle (I refuse to recognize him as “Prince Kylen” the ‘O great and powerful and brainwashed.) is all CRAZY and boring and blah and– ugh he tried to kill smalls, what more do I have to say? what do they do with traitors anyways? banish them? feed them to their pet, Morbin Blackhawk, or put them in a prison cell? And your right about the pattern, Kate, it does seem to go that way.
on another note, as far as Wilfred being dead, I highly doubt it. it’d be the same kind of death smalls had, where no main character actually SEES it, only gets word by messenger. and what would that be like? what kind of story would that make? it would be more likely he was dead if during the ember rising book there was much mentioning of him and the great perils he will have to face. that would keep him fresh in our mind, and keep us worrying about him and make us expect his death. And to have ANOTHER character die off screen like that would be like naming a book “The Battle of Lands” and then having the battle end in the first chapter and it doesn’t even tell you what happened just has a messenger come to the main character and say: “hey, the battle’s over.” I feel like this applies to Smalls death, too.
April 26, 2019 at 8:21 pm #35798ArthamGuest
I still think Kyle (I still call him Kyle because I liked him better as Kyle) could be the son of Garten and I hope he will come around to being his normal sarcastic self soon. I would be surprised if he didn’t come to the rescue but I hope he doesn’t die.
In most books (And movies/TV shows) if you don’t watch the death on screen then they aren’t dead and often even if you see the death on screen then they still aren’t dead.
April 26, 2019 at 9:35 pm #35799Kate H.Guest
Yeah, its a good rule of thumb that if you didn’t see them die, they’re not dead.
Kylen is the son of Bleston, right?? Which means he can’t be the son of Garten (sorry Artham!). Kylen always felt… wrong in my heart. He seemed like a trouble maker from the start. But, he did stand up for Heather and I loved his rivalry/friendship (kinda) with Emma. It made me laugh. I felt… betrayed when he betrayed Smalls (I guess that kind of goes without saying). In Ember Falls, he was definitely (figuratively) brainwashed. You could tell the kid didn’t really know what was going on. He still has a chance at the right choice and I really think the only way the resistance will beat the birds is with the Terralain army at their side.
I really hope book 4 isn’t the last book! That would be really sad. I can’t see S.D. Smith ending the battle. This is why:
The Mended Wood is an allegory for Christ’s second coming. Because Christ has not come yet, I don’t think he would really end the battle.
But I don’t want him to end the series by just saying, “And they moved on, toward their next battle,” or something like that. It would feel like they never got what they worked so hard to get.
But… I don’t want it to end!! This is the best book series since The Chronicles of Narnia (well, in my opinion)! As you can see, I am very conflicted. Any thoughts?
April 26, 2019 at 9:59 pm #35802Audrey AlexanderGuest
it would be really sad if that was the last book. I think he should carry the story on as far as the main character’s descendants! kind of like Erin Hunter’s Warriors books:D Probably won’t happen, but it would be GREAT!!! As far as it being connected to Christ’s second coming, I hadn’t heard of that theory, but it’s a good one. When I’m writing a story, and I’m basing part of it off something negative or sad or melancholy that’s happened to me, but I don’t know the outcome will be of it in real life, I usually write it like I wish it would end in real life. All that to say, maybe SD Smith (if the story really is based on Christ’s 2nd coming) is going to write the end how he thinks it will turn out in real life. Especially since all of his books are based on the feeling of hope, it would make sense that he would end it the way he hopes it will end in real life.
April 26, 2019 at 10:00 pm #35803ArthamGuest
Well it is possible that Kyle was simply brought up by Bleston to by out of the way for Garten (Similar to Emma being brought up by Rake) not likely but possible. Kyle was great in Green Ember but I found him boring in Ember Falls so I hope he comes back to being fun in the new one.
April 26, 2019 at 9:46 pm #35800Audrey AlexanderGuest
how funny would it be if we’re all working so hard trying to figure out what SD Smith is going to write, when really he’s just going to fan sites and taking our theories and picking his favorites and letting us plot out the book for him. not likely, but it makes me laugh to think of it… 😀
April 26, 2019 at 10:01 pm #35804ArthamGuest
That does sound like something he would consider doing
April 26, 2019 at 10:04 pm #35805Ian G.Guest
Nice theory, Audrey 😉
As much as I love these characters and this series, I’m fairly certain Book 4 will be the last of the Green Ember series. A while ago (before book 3) Sam said it would be either a trilogy or a tetralogy (is that the right word?)
Think about it: Morbin must eventually receive word of First Warren’s fall, and then it’ll be all or nothing. So basically I think we’re on the brink of the final stage of the war. (But as Audrey said, there’s also repairing the kingdom, so plenty of denouement)
However, It’s safe to say we can expect more stories from Natalia. In Sam’s newest newsletter, someone asked about what happened to the Golden Coast, and he replied something like, “Wouldn’t it be cool if there were a book series about that someday?”
I’ve seen authors overuse a book series (where it just goes on and on and on…), but I don’t think Green Ember will be one of those. That said, stories from after the main series’ end might be nice.
April 26, 2019 at 10:09 pm #35806Audrey AlexanderGuest
I like that. It makes me less sad that the story will be ending:)
April 26, 2019 at 10:34 pm #35807Kate H.Guest
Yeah, I don’t want it to keep going forever and ever, that would just ruin it! The Mended Wood is definitely based on Christ’s second coming, it basically says so in Smith’s bio (or maybe it was Story Warren?). Something like, “inspiring kids for the kingdom coming”.
I like that idea Ian (and I saw that newsletter). It makes me feel better, but I’m still dreading the ending of this adventure. I tell you, there is nothing else like Green Ember in the world. It changed my life and it gives me a bittersweet feeling to think that it has to end one day. Yeesh, I’m tearing up just writing this!!
April 27, 2019 at 7:30 am #35814Audrey AlexanderGuest
like all things, it has to end at some point, but its story will last forever.
AND on a brighter note, SD did say there will be more prequel-like books coming! So, though our journey with Heather and Picket may be over soon, we can discover more about the stories they knew so well. Who knows, SD might even make a story that is from Whittle or Wilfred’s point of view that shows the fall of King Jupiter. Or even a story about Helmer.
April 27, 2019 at 10:09 am #35816Kate H.Guest
Yeah. The story is timeless. My kids will certainly be reading these books. Prequels will be interesting! I know that S.D. Smith will definitely keep writing because he only recently (okay, a year ago or so) went full time. I can’t see him stopping any time soon.
April 27, 2019 at 10:19 am #35817ArthamGuest
When I asked Sam about the golden coast two years ago he said that he was considering doing a grafic novel. His plans probably changed since then but I doubt that he will leave us hanging. I don’t think he has any plans of stopping soon and the fact that he is writing full time is a good point. I hope that means we can read books by him for years to come.
April 27, 2019 at 1:55 pm #35820Ian G.Guest
It’s amazing to think that these books have been a part of my life for about 4 years. I don’t think I’ll ever outgrow them; they’re too good. I can imagine what it would have been like to grow up with Wingfeather Saga.
A book about Helmer’s past would be interesting.
April 28, 2019 at 11:50 am #35848Audrey AlexanderGuest
it’s been four years for me too!! I’ve never read Wingfeather saga, it is a book, right? I kind of looked at your website information about it, and it looks interesting:)
April 28, 2019 at 4:39 pm #35856Ian G.Guest
Wait, you’ve never read the Saga? How did you find this forum??? You should read it sometime. It’s very good. It’s four books (though the last is twice as thick as the first).
Speaking of forum, there were some other people on the Ember Falls thread who were fairly active (J.S.B. and Miss Linda come to mind). It’d be cool if they’d get involved here.
Elia also commented there once, but I haven’t seen him around any of the forums much lately.
May 4, 2019 at 10:30 pm #36013Audrey AlexanderGuest
umm…honestly? I just googled Green Ember theories, and your forum thing came up:) I’ll definitely have to look at the Wing Feather Saga books, I can’t imagine they could be bad if Green Ember fans read them!
May 5, 2019 at 11:20 pm #36076Ian G.Guest
Wow. That’s really cool.
(If this doesn’t end up where I think it will, it’s a response to Audrey saying how she found this.)
April 28, 2019 at 7:12 pm #35862ArthamGuest
The Wingfeather Saga is one of the best series ever. I think I may like it a little bit better than Green Ember but I don’t know for sure it is so hard to decide especially since all four books are written and we don’t have a conclusion for Green Ember yet. It’s been only about two years or so since I first read Green Ember.
April 28, 2019 at 7:30 pm #35863Ian G.Guest
It’s a close one for me, too. They’re both good in the same way, and share many common themes. Green Ember is special to me in that I’ve followed it from pretty much the beginning, whereas I discovered the Saga about 3 years after it was completed.
And then there’s the possibility of movies for both series (especially for the Saga). So exciting!
May 4, 2019 at 10:57 pm #36016Audrey AlexanderGuest
ok, I’m kind of against a movie for any book I like. mostly because I know they’ll mess it up, they always do. take the Hunger Games for instance, WHAT DID THEY DO TO PETA? they literally took my favorite character and erased everything GOOD about him. Not to mention Watership Down, they changed my favorite character from male to female…like what??? (also, why do we say “not to mention”, and then mention what we said previously needed no mentioning?) it sounds like a good idea to have a movie made, we just need someone to write it as close to the original as they can get, without adding biased views of characters show through. who knows, they may change Smalls to a girl. and then they’ll ship Heather with Morbin. oh yeah, I forgot to mention, they’ll probably make Morbin a sob story that excuses his actions:
Morbin: “I used to have a pet spider (sobs a little) then I accidentally ate it one morning! I haven’t been the same since! so…that’s why I murdered and ate rabbits that are nice. see? spiders are evil. my pet spider probably planned the whole thing, because they’re EVIL!!!! Why am I mad the spider is dead if I think it was evil you ask? simple, I’m a bird. I’m not intelligent enough to know anything!!”
judge: “okay, what’s two plus one?”
Morbin: “Three, obviously.”
judge: “ah. yes. I see. you have a mental break down. probably due to the fact that raptors of your species are kicked out of the nest before they’re even a year old. child abuse!”
Morbin: “Ah…yes…oh–oh and they also fed me RAW MEAT! how awful is that?”
judge: “let’s talk about the scene when you kill Picket, you know, the pet frog doctor that Kyle, you know, Small’s child, owns–”
Morbin: “ah. you mean when I fly in the middle of the night, even though all raptors excluding owls are nocturnal? well, Picker the frog doctor was making a rude joke that offended me, so I ate him.”
judge: “really? well then, we all live happily ever after! –uh, Emma, stop eating the mud! it’s not healthy.”
Emma, eyes crazy: “what?”
thus ends the Green Ember Movie! it’s a great work of art, I know!
May 5, 2019 at 12:48 am #36019Kate H.Guest
Audrey, that was honestly one of the funniest theories I’ve read here so far! Thanks for the laughs!
On a darker note, what you said is sad but true. There are pros and cons to having a movie made. If it stuck to the book, that would be one awesome movie! If they wrecked it (like you have predicted.:) ), it would be a HUGE letdown. But it would still be great to see the books brought to life… I don’t know. It’s a controversial topic for me!
May 5, 2019 at 4:38 pm #36055ArthamGuest
I don’t think the book would work as a movie. Even if they were to animate it exactly right and have the correct plot line and everything, I think that it would just look wrong. I think that the book does well in reminding us that they are rabbits but not going into specifics but in a movie the swords in rabbit’s hands and them standing on two legs would look weird. So I don’t really want a movie. It should stay as a book.
May 5, 2019 at 11:13 pm #36073Ian G.Guest
I probably shouldn’t have mentioned movies…
Yeah, what Audrey said was right. True-to-the-book movies are ridiculously rare. My hopes that the authors being involved in GE or WS movies would prevent ruination might be far fetched, but still I hope. While we’re at it, I might as well just mention A Wrinkle in Time. So bad it was almost hilarious. I laughed, I cried; it moved me, Bob.
(Also, that dialogue was super funny, Audrey, if a bit worst-case.)
Artham, I see what you mean. If they didn’t do a really good job, it could easily become weird.
That said, I still think a movie would be awesome if they did it right. I’ll just have to keep loving what (might be) on the other side of this fight. That will have to make me brave.
April 27, 2019 at 8:21 pm #35832Kate H.Guest
I’ve only been reading them for a year now, but I can’t imagine my life without them! I’ve never been so changed by a fantasy series before.
April 30, 2019 at 4:34 pm #35900Kate H.Guest
I just finished reading Ember Rising for the 18th time. There is so much to think about! I’ve been left terrified, hopeful, passionate, inspired, sad, and angry. More than that, my love for Green Ember has been rekindled. I’m ready for any more discussion you guys throw out! Yeah, I know it takes time to write a good book but S.D. SMITH, PLEASE HURRY, I’M DYING OF IMPATIENCE OVER HERE!
May 6, 2019 at 12:05 pm #36107Audrey AlexanderGuest
does it strike anyone else as strange that there are no MAP’s or PMV’s made of the Green Ember yet? can you just imagine animating Jupiter’s fall, and Smalls “demise” then putting it to a song like “The Hanging Tree”? also, there are like ZERO Green Ember theory videos as far as I can find. me and my friend, Nika Minecraft, are working on getting a GE theory video put up, but we haven’t finished it quite yet.
“are you, are you
coming to the tree
where they strung up a man
they say who murdered three.
strange things have happened here
no stranger would it be
if we met at midnight
in the hanging tree
Are you, are you
Coming to the tree
Wear a necklace of rope
Side by side with me
Strange things did happen here
No stranger would it be
If we met at midnight
In the hanging tree”
May 6, 2019 at 2:29 pm #36119Ian G.Guest
MAP? PMV? I’m not familiar with those terms.
May 6, 2019 at 2:34 pm #36121Audrey AlexanderGuest
okay, so on Youtube those are abbreviations. for instance, if you read Warriors by Erin Hunter, there are many MAP’S, AMV’S and PMV’S for the books series. it’s basically fans that animated parts of the story, and added music. it’s like story shorts made by the fans of a book.
MAP means Multiple Artist Project or Multiple Animater Project.
AMV- A music Video
PMV- Picture music video
May 6, 2019 at 2:41 pm #36124Ian G.Guest
Oh okay. Makes sense.
The lack of this stuff might be because GE’s fanbase seems to consist mostly of kids. It’s also still fairly small, I think.
Those would be really cool though. Unfortunately, I don’t make videos or animation or anything. (But music… maybe.)
May 6, 2019 at 2:45 pm #36126Audrey AlexanderGuest
yea I stink at animating… I could probably draw stick figures and tape them to the screen though! lol
May 6, 2019 at 1:37 pm #36109Gryffindor GirlGuest
Hi everyone! Fellow Green Ember nerd here. Is it all right if I join the discussion?
May 6, 2019 at 1:37 pm #36110Gryffindor GirlGuest
Hi everyone! Fellow Green Ember nerd here. Is it all right if I join the discussion?
May 6, 2019 at 2:24 pm #36116Ian G.Guest
Yes, please join in! We’re always glad to hear new voices.
May 6, 2019 at 1:39 pm #36111Gryffindor GirlGuest
Sorry, accidentally sent that twice!
May 6, 2019 at 1:41 pm #36112Audrey AlexanderGuest
it’s fine:) nice to meet you Gryffindor Girl.
May 6, 2019 at 2:20 pm #36115Gryffindor GirlGuest
I just wanted to jump in on the previous conversation. I noticed you were talking about the “Hanging Tree” song from Hunger Games. Now, I am the person who hopelessly overanalyzes every book she reads ( Believe it or not, I came up with a LONG list of parallels between N.D Wilson’s 100 Cupboards series and Harry Potter), and I realized that Ember Rising has a LOT of similarities with the Hunger Games.
Think about it. A dictatorial regime ruled by an evil overlord takes over and enslaves the people, forcing them to work for it, and making them live in “districts” in various degrees of poverty. The privileged people who obey the regime get to live easy lives in the “Capitol” or District 6 in Ember Rising. They have Capitol employed “Peacekeepers” aka Longtreaders, who are supposed to be enforcing the peace, but who actually abuse the people. And every year, to keep the people in submission, and to remind them who their master is, President Snow aka Morbin forces each family to give up their children to him. In Green Ember, the children are eaten by Morbin and his officers, while in the Hunger Games, the children are forced to fight each other to the death. A girl who is taken by the “Capitol” (Heather aka Katniss) fights against them, and discovers a hidden resistance hiding in a secret district, District 13 in HG, and District 7 in GE. The district has been preparing to break free from their oppressors for years, and they have a secret weapon that they are going to use against the Capitol. (Bombs in HG, and the armada of boats in GE) And Heather is the “Scribe Of The Cause”, the mascot and the inspiration for the rabbits, just like Katniss is the “Mockingjay” for the Second Rebellion.
“If we burn, you burn with us!”
“Bear the flame.”
I rest my case.
May 6, 2019 at 2:28 pm #36118Audrey AlexanderGuest
yay! another Hunger games fan!!! question is, is it rope or hope? basically, did you read the book or watch the movie? or both?
except for the side drama of Peta and Gale. Oh, and Katniss murdering president Coin (hate Coin.) I definitely see LOTS of similarities. I prefer the kids fighting to the death, it’s way deeper because they are forcing children from ages (what was it twelve?) twelve and up into a state of murderous survival of the fittest in which some children are forced to kill in horrible ways such as ripping people’s throats with their teeth. Hardly anyone would think someone else’s life worth more than their own in the Hunger Games because of the way the capital deals with them. the hunger games is definitely NOT supposed to appeal to the age group that the Green Ember does. So, in a way, the Green Ember is like a more humane version of the Hunger Games where instead they use rabbits rather than humans.
May 6, 2019 at 2:45 pm #36127Ian G.Guest
Honestly that sounds a little bit like someone swapped out kids for the animals in a Jack London novel.
Definitely different intended audience age group.
May 7, 2019 at 3:34 pm #36210Kate H.Guest
It’s true, they do seem similar. But it seems that they both (to some degree) mirror the communist regime, as I was saying earlier.
May 6, 2019 at 2:25 pm #36117Gryffindor GirlGuest
I really don’t know if this was intentional on SD Smith’s part, or if he has even read/seen the Hunger Games, but the similarities are kind of hard to ignore. Don’t get me wrong, I still love Green Ember, just like I still love 100 Cupboards (see my previous comment). I realize that it is nearly impossible for authors to create something entirely new and original.
May 6, 2019 at 2:31 pm #36120Ian G.Guest
I’m not familiar with Hunger Games, so…
May 6, 2019 at 2:43 pm #36125Audrey AlexanderGuest
it’s a completed book series written by Suzzan Collins. there are three books in the series. the main character is named Katniss. she has a mother (who is kind of on a mental break ever since their father died in a mining accident) and she has a sister, twelve years old, named Prim. they are under a government that takes their offspring and force them to kill each other, then they force the parents, friends, and strangers to celebrate and watch the videod “games” where the children fight to the death. this can last for days. smaller children usually don’t last long. a girl and boy is taken from each district (there are twelve) and put in the games every year. everyone puts their name in. if you put your name in more times in one year to be drawn out of the jar, then you get more food. this also means you may be picked to go in the hunger games. people are starving to death, and even though it’s illegal, a few (Katniss and Gale) hunt for their food. they have their families to feed, and with no food or money, and Katniss having no father, they have to hunt or die. when Prim is chosen to go in the games, Katniss says she’ll take her place. Katniss is like sixteen or fifteen, I don’t remember, lol. the story goes from then to her trying to survive, then a plot twist when she finds out an old friend that helped her when she was starving is going to be in the games and one of them will end up having to kill the other.
May 6, 2019 at 2:47 pm #36128Ian G.Guest
Okay, I’m kind of familiar with the premise. I guess I meant I haven’t actually read them before.
May 6, 2019 at 2:48 pm #36130Audrey AlexanderGuest
I see. well with so many books in the world, some are going to be similar. I wouldn’t say SD stole the idea or anything like that. they just have some places that are a little alike.
May 6, 2019 at 2:47 pm #36129Ian G.Guest
Good summary though.
May 6, 2019 at 2:50 pm #36131Audrey AlexanderGuest
thanks! if I’m a fan of something, I’m usually a crazy nerd fan of whatever it is, lol 😛
May 6, 2019 at 2:52 pm #36132Gryffindor GirlGuest
I have read the book and watched the movie, and I am definitely a fan. Also, you said there was no Katniss/Gale/Peeta drama, which is true. We may not be blissfully love-triangle free for long though. Did anyone else pick up on the Emma/Picket/Weezie thing? Also, Helmer is the Haymitch of rabbits. Same sarcastic personality, similar backstory, has to train a kid that will probably get killed in battle, etc.
May 6, 2019 at 4:28 pm #36143Ian G.Guest
Yeah I noticed the Picket Emma Wheezie thing. But then there’s Lord Booker’s son. Because of him, I don’t think there would be any conflict.
May 6, 2019 at 2:57 pm #36133Audrey AlexanderGuest
yes about Emma and Wheezie! Emma and Weezie are definitely going to have a time fighting over Picket:( the nice thing is Emma isn’t one of those girls that will turn evil just because she didn’t get what she wanted. she’ll be polite about the whole thing, no doubt. and as far as Helmer…the more kid-appropriate version of Haymitch. Not a drunk.
May 6, 2019 at 3:01 pm #36134Gryffindor GirlGuest
Yeah. He is just rude to everyone and spends all his time brooding under a tree instead.
May 6, 2019 at 3:03 pm #36135Audrey AlexanderGuest
yes, good point:) another difference is I don’t think Helmer would vote that the children of his enemies be put through the games. Of, course, I could be wrong.
May 6, 2019 at 3:06 pm #36136Audrey AlexanderGuest
Morbin as a child: “mom, why’d you name me Morbin? isn’t that awfully close to…Morbid?”
Morbin: “but…but you do that too. Not to mention the hundreds of other animals that eat each other.”
Morbin may have actually changed his name from something like Tommy to Morbin…lol. since we actually don’t know what the bird culture is like in this series, it could be anything from they don’t name their children, but let their children name themselves, to extremely weird carnivore parents that think that names like, Gore, Dead, and Morbin are popular pretty names. In real life, different species of raptors reach maturity at different ages. for instance, the Bald Eagle reaches maturity at four to five years of age, and its famous white head does not begin to actually have white feathers until they are five to six years old. Redtail hawks reach maturity at two years of age, and interestingly, only 20 percent of them survive their first year of life. this is due to many things, disease, parasites, pesticides and even structures such as buildings that have large windows, also cars, etc. 365 days in a year. So 730 days from birth until a Redtail hawk is mature. A Redtail hawk is 2 to 3 months old when it leaves its parents and 42 days old when it fledges. how the raptor world works in the Green Ember, is yet to be seen.
By the way, I hope my rather gorry jokes don’t bother anyone, I’m kind of used to it by now.
May 6, 2019 at 4:16 pm #36142Ian G.Guest
Hmm. Morality can get pretty sketchy in worlds where animals are like people but also still eat and kill each other. In Redwall (I don’t know if anyone else is familiar with those books) it’s basically that any “evil” animal (like rats, ferrets, cats, foxes etc.) is simply doomed to be evil and that’s that. Jaques even wrote a whole book hinging on that fact, which made it all the more weird and disappointing. Then again, it’s not like all predators are evil, as otters (related to ferrets) and badgers are always good. Heck, there’s even a predatory bird that is a good guy! And he’s practically vegetarian, so obviously none of the “vermin” (bad guys) need to eat other animals to survive. Many don’t, it seems. Also, the good guys raise and eat fish on a regular basis. Thus rather than using a predator-prey system in his books, Brian Jaques used a alwaysgood-alwaysbad system that’s only partially based on what the animals would normally eat.
Anyways, that’s my rant on the challenges of morality existing in worlds containing anthropomorphic animals.
May 6, 2019 at 4:29 pm #36144Audrey AlexanderGuest
I agree, Ian, good point. I have read a few Redwall books, my sister used to read them to me until she passed away. Living on a farm, and being a Falconry apprentice, I end up dealing with predators and their prey quite often. the circle of life gets complicated when everyone is so “animals have rights, don’t eat them!”. animals should NOT be mistreated, but at the same time, I’m not going to rot out my teeth by never eating meat. some people are so ignorant and separate from what they eat, where meat comes from, that they see eating another living thing as bad as cannibalism. but, to the animals, it’s survival of the fittest–no, the biggest, the deadliest. the owl that fights the eagle for a lamb. the wolf that kills another wolf for the winnings of two house cats. the mountain Lion that takes her children to massacre a herd of sheep so that they may learn the art of killing (actually happened). At the same time, because I’m human, when my dog comes back eating a rabbit alive, I put the rabbit out of its misery. when a raptor comes back to his falconer, tearing into his prey, the Falconer would not sit and listen to the animal suffer. in truth, I believe it to be less about the animal, and more about us and what we can handle. are you truly to say you put it out of its misery because it’s cruel when it happens in the wild every day? or did you put it out of its misery because you could not listen to its screams and remain human? if the dying animal bothers you that much, do you chase after every wild raptor and put its prey out of misery? obviously not. When we attach human thoughts and expressions to animals, their world is no longer survival of the biggest, deadliest, meanest, fittest. it has changed to some mix between evil, and good.
May 8, 2019 at 12:45 am #36244Ian G.Guest
I was thinking about it, and I think the one aspect that does the most to keep these stories about good vs. evil in stead of just prey vs. predator is the fact that there are evil (often very evil) rabbits. Maybe one day there will somehow be resolution as to the moral aspect of the predatory animals (unlikely), but as it is, the evil rabbits do the story a load of good.
(Plus, if you’re writing a story about rabbits, it’s kind of natural that wolves and hawks would be the antagonists.)
May 6, 2019 at 3:06 pm #36137Gryffindor GirlGuest
Back to one of the other thing people were talking about on here. A Green Ember movie. What do you guys think? What is your dream Green Ember movie, or would you rather there not be one.
This is all hypothetical, but in my dream movie, I kind of imagine it being all animated, with the rabbits looking somewhat like the ones in the live-action Peter Rabbit that came out last year.
May 6, 2019 at 3:08 pm #36138Audrey AlexanderGuest
well, as I’ve said before, my vote would most likely be no movie. but that’s a good point about the animation.
May 6, 2019 at 3:19 pm #36139Gryffindor GirlGuest
Yes, sometimes movies based off books can be totally awful. (I’m looking at you, Hobbit movies!)
But other times, they can actually be good. Personally, I enjoyed the Lord of The Rings movies, the Lion the Witch and The Wardrobe movie, the Hunger Games movies, the Harry Potter movies, etc. Although none of them quite measured up to the books, they were still enjoyable to watch. By the way, what do you think of the idea of the Wingfeather Saga movies they are making?
May 6, 2019 at 3:31 pm #36140Audrey AlexanderGuest
well, though I’ve recently taken interest in the Wingfeather Saga books, I have not yet read them. and, how did I find this site then? I googled “Green Ember theories” and this site came up:)
May 6, 2019 at 3:37 pm #36141Gryffindor GirlGuest
Oh my gosh! You have to read them, they are so good! Andrew Peterson and S.D Smith are some of my favorite authors. If you like Green Ember, you will love the Wingfeather Saga. Definitely one of my favorite book series.
May 7, 2019 at 2:47 pm #36199Kate H.Guest
Woah, I missed a lot of stuff while I was away! Anyway, I’m back.
A few parents in Amazon reviews, etc. have mentioned that Ember Rising has quite a few elements that read like The Hunger Games. Though I have not read those books (yet, I’ve decided to wait a few years), from what I’ve heard from here and other places, they do sound similar. But there is one thing that separates the two IMMENSEly that I am familiar with.
Green Ember is written with a kind of supernatural passion that can rival anything ever written in the history of fantasy. While it is not the only series ever to vaguely mirror the gospel, the dividing factor is that this story focuses on the story AFTER the fall (death of Christ). The Chronicles of Narnia, etc. convey Christs’ story. The Green Ember points to the end of the story, a finale that has not yet taken place. Any story that tries to capture even the slightest bit of the hope and longing we feel toward Christs’ return is bound to move the world one day.
Now that my theological rant is over with for the day (apologies, everyone!), onto Helmer. I beg your pardon, Gryffindor Girl, but Helmer does not ONLY brood under a tree and be rude to everyone (well, he does do that throughout the first book, but still)! He is a recklessly brave, almost undefeatable mentor and one of my ABSOLUTE favourite characters of all time. His sarcastic remarks always make me laugh. I’m so afraid that he’s going to die! I just had to say that. No offence meant to anyone. I just totally stated the obvious. More apologies. 😉
Re: Green Ember Movie. If they were to do a movie, I agree with Gryffindor Girl, they should do it like the live-action Peter Rabbit (I loved that movie!). It would totally work (as long as they stayed true to the books…)!
Okay, Emma/Weezie/Picket. Its totally going to be Weezie. That would make Picket part of Helmer’s family, which would be great! Emma’s going to be pretty hurt, but I think Lord Morgan (Vandalia Citadel) is going to step in there. What about Jo Shanks? He liked Heather for a while, especially after she saved his life, but we know where her heart is for sure!
I tried to give my opinion on everything. Did I miss anything?
Did you guys notice that Vandalia was also called Wandalia? I think it was a typo on the map.
May 7, 2019 at 3:10 pm #36205ArthamGuest
I have been away too, and the chat went a lot of different directions while I was gone. I haven’t read hunger games and it, like Harry Potter, seems to be a book series that some people have a problem with, usually the people who haven’t read them. I really liked harry potter so I might read hunger games eventually.
I kind of think that Picket and Emma will end up together and I hope so because they seem better together than Picket and Wheezie. I think Jo should stay single, it suits him better somehow. I don’t really like Wheezie because she seems kind of annoying.
May 7, 2019 at 3:30 pm #36207Kate H.Guest
Eh, I disagree. I really like Weezie and I think that she goes really well with Picket. But that’s okay, a difference of opinion was bound to happen here eventually!
May 8, 2019 at 1:22 am #36246LelaGuest
I think that Smalls and Heather and Picket and Emma would be too -similar?
As Smalls and Emma are siblings and so are Picket and Heather.
Also I think that Picket seemed to get on better with Weezie then Emma.
May 8, 2019 at 2:39 am #36249LelaGuest
Or maybe – Kylen’s going to marry Emma!
It would help solve the problem between Terralain and Natalia and also here’s an expert from Ember Falls chapter 20.
“Picket spared a moment to consider who might be Kyle’s corresponding Fay, but he buried the thought.”
May 8, 2019 at 6:48 am #36260Audrey AlexanderGuest
In my opinion, I would just like Kyle to stay single. when there are too many relationships like that in a book, where every character gets shipped, it becomes more about the relationships than the story. And, as someone who would rather be reading about how feet work than romance, I’d probably die.
May 8, 2019 at 6:50 am #36261LelaGuest
I don’t want the romance to become a big part of the book, but the little that has been already helps strengthen the plot.
May 9, 2019 at 11:08 pm #36465LelaGuest
Sorry, that actually wouldn’t work as Kyle’s father is Emma’s father’s brother, so they’re cousins.
May 8, 2019 at 9:36 am #36278ArthamGuest
There usually needs to be romance in stories but books only about romance are dumb especially if it is teen romance. In my opinion Wheezie is just annoying and dumb and all “sob story but I have perseverance” while Emma is taking what comes to her and trying to help people along the way.
May 8, 2019 at 12:14 pm #36281Audrey AlexanderGuest
YES!! exactly my thoughts, Artham.
May 9, 2019 at 3:32 am #36348LelaGuest
You have to remember that Wheezie’s grown up in a very hard place so she has to have disadvantages.
I agree that a book all about romance is boring (and I’m not allowed to read anything like that anyway.)
May 8, 2019 at 1:13 am #36245Ian G.Guest
Yeah, Helmer’s epic. I feel like there are going to be more deaths before this series is over, and I really want Helmer to survive.
On the subject of movie animation, I just really don’t want it to be mediocre 3D. There are too many movies like that. I personally think 2D might look cool (maybe with 3D interwoven?). Plus, if the overall look of the movie isn’t ultra-realistic, it might be easier to handle violent scenes. I once saw a 3D animated family/kids’ movie (Sgt. Stubby) that was about WWI; in one scene, two characters are supposed to be wounded badly, and yet visually they look perfectly fine. While I understand why the animators would do this (they didn’t want it rated PG-13 or R, obviously), it was kind of super awkward. Given that GE would probably have a family audience, this kind of thing could happen. It might be easier to handle with 2D? (I’m no expert, these are just my thoughts).
Good 2D animation might also make a movie stand out amidst the myriad of 3D films. Plus, I think 2D is cool.
May 8, 2019 at 6:51 am #36262Audrey AlexanderGuest
that’s interesting about the animation. I kind of like gore in books and TV, so I don’t know what I would think about that, but since the Green Ember’s fan base consists mostly of children, a none-graphic movie would be appreciated.
May 8, 2019 at 1:53 pm #36286Kate H.Guest
Yeah, non-graphic, but at least a little intense. Parents are already becoming a little nervous around the books, what with the growing intensity shown in Ember Rising, so the audience is changing. I’d like to see it in good 3D animation, like Peter Rabbit, but as long it stays true to the story, I don’t care.
I kind of doubt that Kylen will marry Emma. Emma HATES him (she always has). Kylen liked Heather in the first book, but considering that he thinks the resistance is full of traitors, he wouldn’t go for her. I can’t think of anyone for him.
I really think that it’s going to be Picket and Weezie.
1. Picket obviously prefers Weezie.
2. The way the two immediately hit it off at her first appearance in Ember Rising says that they were made for each other (literally, S.D. Smith probably tailored her for Picket).
3. If it was Picket and Weezie, Picket would kind of become part of Helmer’s family, which would be perfect, since Helmer is basically family already.
4. Why else would S.D. Smith introduce her character if not to complicate the romance side of the books? Everyone is sure that it’s going to be Emma and Picket in the first two books, then Weezie shows up and causes this controversy. Don’t get me wrong, I think Weezie’s great, but what else does she bring to the story other than Picket’s perfect match?
Yeah, the little bit of romance has been nice. I doubt it will go much further.
I agree, Ian! Considering there haven’t been many deaths (besides Smalls, but he’s not really dead, yet!), I feel like at least one important character is going to go. Helmer is so spirited, I feel like he’s going to go out really heroically in battle or something. It makes me tear up just thinking about it, but its a real possibility. 🙁
May 8, 2019 at 5:25 pm #36294ArthamGuest
Let me respond in order
1. It doesn’t matter who Picket prefers he is still young. We can see that in real life and in almost every story.
2. I don’t agree that they were made for each other because Picket is cool and Wheezie is dumb. Lol. And people hit it off the first time they meet all the time in books and nothing comes from it.
3. This is a good point and in my opinion this would be the only good thing out of Picket and Wheezie.
4. Have you met S.D.Smith? He is completely unpredictable. Also writers introduce other options for characters to date all the time. If you have read Harry Potter then think about Harry Potter and Cho Chang or Hermione and Viktor Krum.
And yes I am really worried about Helmer and also Wilfred
May 8, 2019 at 6:06 pm #36298Audrey AlexanderGuest
So, in other words, Artham, I agree with you. 🙂
though everyone is allowed their own opinion, so please don’t take my previous post the wrong way
May 8, 2019 at 5:58 pm #36297Audrey AlexanderGuest
I don’t really like to ship characters with other characters, especially when we don’t even know if they LIKE each other. in my opinion Emma is a respectable, kind, honorable, nice person whereas Wheezie has no purpose in the books other than to whine. this does not mean that I hate Weezie, just that I can only handle her sob story “woe is me” attitude in small doses. Emma is the kind of character that can be a perfectly good person with or without her love interest (if she has one yet). Wheezie seems to be more the kind that can’t even keep it all together without another person which seems ridiculous to me. As far as the age of readers changing, you may be right. though I don’t believe that it’s too gory for kids, others may have different opinions on that.
May 8, 2019 at 5:45 pm #36296Kate H.Guest
Let me respond in order:
1. Fairly good point, but how are we to know what age is appropriate in Natalia? And approximately how old is Picket? Heather knows exactly who she loves (and she is only slightly older than Picket). In fact, her preferred future husband has already been made explicitly clear. And now that Smalls is alive…
2. Your first statement is a matter of opinion and therefore can be disregarded in a debate like this. 😉 As for your second argument, you yourself said that S.D. Smith is unpredictable. If this is the case, then why would Green Ember follow the pattern of other books?
3. Thank you.
4. No, I have not met S.D. Smith (I live in Canada and we’ve been trying forever to get him up here. We have sponsors and have been communicating with him for a while but… :|). If he is indeed so unpredictable, then we might as well give up this debate, for we will have no basis for anything. It is a 50/50 chance. I still believe my logic is, if not flawless, reasonable.
But I do know one more thing: I think like an author (gosh, I am an author!). When you think like an author, stories become a whole different thing. You can see through strategy and track with the way the tale is spun. Sometimes, you almost see the finished work before the end.
I’ll be the first to admit that this story is one of the only series that has managed to surprise me (because my emotions got in the way, I hasten to add). I’ll also be the first to admit that I am no expert on S.D.Smith’s mind. But, I think I know a thing or two.
May 8, 2019 at 6:28 pm #36304ArthamGuest
I may not be an author but I do see the stuff you are talking about and yes Green Ember is one of few books to actually surprise me but it still for the most part follows patterns.
Picket never said he liked Wheezie better he just chose on impulse one time to sit with Wheezie. And we can agree that Heather and Picket are quite different
Both of our second arguments were just opinion with no evidence to back it up.
Third we agree on.
Fourth. You didn’t adress my point about authors adding more people for others to date just to add more mystery and I still stand by that point.
Of course this debate is pointless as S.D.Smith isn’t going to change his plans based on our opinions but that doesn’t mean we can’t debate about it. And yes this is a debate for fun and I don’t expect to change your mind.
May 8, 2019 at 6:09 pm #36299Kate H.Guest
On the opposite side of this issue, I think that Emma kind of lost her touch in Ember Rising. Yeah, she’s a great character, but she is definitely out of her league. I mean really, what Queen consults with the enemy without telling anyone? That was pretty foolish, it put her friends’ life in jeopardy and she moved on without even blinking. She doesn’t want the throne and she makes it pretty clear, both through her words and actions. I glad Smalls is coming back, he’s the kind of leader the resistance needs.
I really don’t get what you guys mean about Weezie! When does she whine?
Audrey, it’s not so much ‘gorey’ as intense. I mean, Captain Vitton and the communist type regime, as well as the taking of the younglings for sacrifice, those things can really set some people off. Just look at the Amazon reviews and you’ll see it.
May 8, 2019 at 6:23 pm #36301Audrey AlexanderGuest
put yourself in Emma’s shoes. she receives so much hate from fans because she didn’t make perfect protagonist choices. she is NOT a born leader, true. she cares about people, this is also true. she is scared, confused, and has no family to help her through it. She is still grieving over Lord Ramnor–have you ever seen people after they have lost someone they love? the process of grieving can fluctuate from hate, to fear, to suicidal thoughts and so on. I’m not excusing the fact that she made some TERRIBLE choices that ended up getting her friends hurt, but I am trying to convey that she is trying her best. Heather taught her (right before being taken by Morbin) that she had to think of her kingdom, she can’t afford to fall apart, to grieve, to feel ANY sorrow that she doesn’t have a “father” for yet a 2ND time. She can’t make any more big mistakes, the lives of the whole kingdom are all in her hands, any choice she makes could crush them, or save them. everyone is looking to her, expecting her to make good Queen-like choices, but she has NEVER had any training for it, no one is coaching her on what to do and say, she has NEVER thought she would be a Queen. So, yes, she is going to make mistakes. and as Heather has recently taught her, she will HAVE to move on without blinking an eye. the pain is still there. maybe she just isn’t showing it. maybe she’s temporarily locked in some dark corner of her mind, either way, it will surface before the end of this. you can’t lock away the grief forever.
May 8, 2019 at 6:30 pm #36305Audrey AlexanderGuest
And, as for the whining:
people already have stressful, quite often depressing lives. they come home from work, exhausted, they don’t want to sit down and read a book that all the character does is whine and talk about how bad her life is. It might be true, it might (and probably is) thoughts that stir in her mind frequently, but if she stays this way forever, with these dark thoughts of feeling sorry for herself, she’s going to feel like life isn’t worth living. readers want to read something to lift them up. to show them when they’re having a bad day, there is always hope. though there are exceptions where the reader identifies with the character, therefore does NOT feel that the character is too gloomy, or maybe they really just don’t mind depressing topics. if she ends up with Pick, then she will be in the book WAY more. if she’s in the book more, we will have to listen to her sob stories MORE. maybe she will change over time, maybe her introduction was just a little rough, and she’ll end up EVERYONE’s favorite character. we’ll see.
May 8, 2019 at 9:47 pm #36314Kate H.Guest
So, I can bring up the same argument with Weezie as you did with Emma!
Weezie has been living under an evil regime her whole life. Her sister was abducted and murdered, her mother is going crazy with grief and she doesn’t know how much longer any of them are going to live. She’s know nothing but despair and brokenness her entire, enslaved life. Then Picket shows up with her Uncle and tells her about a world and a hope that could free her. Who can blame her for being a little incredulous?
I assume that’s the ‘whiny’ part you’re talking about. I really don’t recall her every ‘whining’.
You call it a sob story, like an excuse. Isn’t that kind of life a good excuse for being like that?
Another thing about Weezie that undermines your arguments: she doesn’t stay that way. She wants to break free. She not all gloomy and hopeless all the time. She was just like that maybe once because she couldn’t believe there was anything beyond what she was used to. Its easy for us, we know what’s out there. We have hope, a fiery, supernatural hope. As for her, she just thinks, “What’s hope?”
Re depressing the reader. Technically, you could say that about the whole series. Why would someone want to sit down and read about an impossible battle these rabbits are about to fight? Why would they spend hours unwinding this tale that has characters like Daggler and Vitton? Here’s my answer:
I once wrote a short story called “Never More Brilliant”. It’s about a girl who realizes that the darkness around her shouldn’t be feared. She realizes it can be conquered, but only if someone brings light into it. When she does, she sees that even the tiniest spark is like a bonfire in the midst of the blackness. The light is never more brilliant than when its shone into the darkness.
This can be applied to Weezie’s story. S.D. Smith has to create a world with evil in it. A world with cruel captors and broken lives. He has to do this in order to truly portray the healing that hope, passion, and light bring. After all, no one can see the true brilliance of a flame unless there’s darkness to compare it to.
That’s why I found Weezie’s story so beautiful! Her life was only one example of the terrors witness among the people of First Warren. Only one song in the midst of a nation of grief. She’s fallen into a hopeless trap that she’s not sure she will ever break out of. But then, something happens. A pinprick of light reaches her eyes in the form of Picket Longtreader. At first, she thinks its a hallucination. How could there be such a thing as freedom? As hope? Those things are fantasies! This is the world as it is! But then, Picket proves her wrong. And the rest will soon be history…
Isn’t that the greatest portrayal of hope a reader will have read?
If you don’t agree, well… Who can prove me wrong?
May 8, 2019 at 9:52 pm #36315Ian G.Guest
Ooh that’s good analysis. 👏👏👏
May 8, 2019 at 10:00 pm #36318Ian G.Guest
I think you just articulated really well something that I was still figuring out. I think the reason I like Wheezie could be because through her we see the transformation hope can bring to the hopeless; the effects of light in the darkness.
May 8, 2019 at 10:08 pm #36321Ian G.Guest
Oh, Perkinson… he was one of my favorites, briefly. I really felt his betrayal. Much different from Bleston, who’s pretty obviously the bad guy.
I haven’t played any of the games. Is the Hoopvolly hoop supposed to be elevated, or on the ground? Elevated would be an extra challenge.
May 9, 2019 at 6:35 am #36360Audrey AlexanderGuest
Emma’s family is also murdered. and i never said Weezie IS changing, just that it’s POSSIBLE she COULD change if she ever DECIDED to. I have seen many people having to care for a broken-hearted mother, and I know it’s hard. I know that she has so many feelings flying in her head day and night. But still, my argument remains. you can write her life to be “hopeful”. you can make the reader feel sorry for her. but with Emma, the same things apply. sure, her mother isn’t falling apart and she doesn’t have to care for her, but at that same time, she has never had the comfort of family. she has NO good memories of her family because they’re all DEAD. however, she doesn’t dump her grief on the reader, she moves on. Emma is not my favorite character, I just don’t like how many people trash her because she’s not “perfect”. if you want to read a story where everyone is perfect, read a different story, just look at Picket. NOT perfect, still a GREAT character. if everyone had the luxury to stop and feel sorry for themselves, to “subtly” point out every which way their life has gone WRONG, then the whole story would be much worse. just think of heather. she has a sad past, yet do you see her complaining to everyone? did you see her falling apart because her family was gone? In my opinion, no one can afford to fall apart when they could be doing something better, as Heather and Emma have shown. but Weezie was like trying to swallow chunks of lemon. I know I can’t change your mind, and I don’t expect to. I’m just showing what I’m seeing. As an author, I know she has potential, but I also know that anyone who has actually experienced some of what she may be feeling could end up more annoyed by her than feeling sorry for her. as a reader, I don’t hate her, I just think I can only handle her in small doses. as someone who understands what she may be going through, she needs to lighten up.
May 9, 2019 at 6:45 am #36362Audrey AlexanderGuest
also, you couldn’t make the same argument for the books. the books are NOT depressing. the storyline is bringing hope, not squishing it. the hopeful characters MAKE the story less sad. There’s a difference between a sad plot line and a depressing sad character. for example, the plot line isn’t alive. you don’t have to listen to it complain.
May 8, 2019 at 10:01 pm #36319Kate H.Guest
Yeah, Ian! I am very thankful for that! I also do chats kind of like this on the Adventures in Odyssey Club website and some of those have spiralled into arguments and hurt feelings (not because of me, I might add. I’ve just witnessed that happening and have tried to bring peace. ;| ) This place and you guys are certainly treasures!
Yeah, I like Emma and all. She’s fine. Just not a favourite-favourite.
Here’s how my list (somewhat) goes:
1. Heather and Picket
3. Jo Shanks
7. Heyna (I don’t know how she got down here, ’cause she’s awesome, but… there are just so many great characters!!)
I was re-reading Ember Falls and I realized that I really liked Perkison! He was such a great guy! *sigh* At least, he was.
I really that Airen becomes her natural self again! That would be something to see!
Has anyone else tried playing the games that are described in the books?
I’ve played bouncer, but I should probably get in some more practice!
Starseek is difficult to play without a field. I don’t have a field. ;(
Hoopvolley: Now we’re talking! I played this game for hours with my cousins last summer. You don’t have to use a hoop, just put out a rope as the boundary line and try to pass it across with only two touches. It’s so much fun!
So far S.D. Smith has introduced a new game in every book! I can’t wait to see what game he makes up next!
(Now I have a hankering for some hoopvolley. I’m literally going to go outside and play RIGHT NOW!).
May 9, 2019 at 6:38 am #36361Audrey AlexanderGuest
Arien reminds me of Katniss’s mother from the Hunger Games.
May 8, 2019 at 6:11 pm #36300Kate H.Guest
Yeah, same with my previous post. This forum is open to all opinions and is a place for good ol’ fashion debate and open discussion, right? Everything I say is meant in jest.
May 8, 2019 at 6:26 pm #36302Kate H.Guest
May 8, 2019 at 6:26 pm #36303Kate H.Guest
I still greatly prefer Smalls though.
May 8, 2019 at 6:31 pm #36307Audrey AlexanderGuest
May 8, 2019 at 6:33 pm #36309ArthamGuest
Smalls is a born leader while Emma is not so I agree that Smalls will be a much leader. And yes this is meant for debating or this site wouldn’t be as much fun. 🙂
May 8, 2019 at 6:46 pm #36310Audrey AlexanderGuest
that makes sense, Artham. I guess I’m used to the Wiki where typically most debates are looked down upon, being a Wiki and all…
May 8, 2019 at 6:56 pm #36311ArthamGuest
Who is your favorite character? Mine would still be Helmer
May 8, 2019 at 9:30 pm #36313Ian G.Guest
I’m glad we can disagree civilly, on the internet even(!). That’s a rare thing these days.
For a while I didn’t very much like Emma. I didn’t hate her or anything, but to me she was sort of “meh.” I guess she just can’t fill the space Smalls left (hopefully she won’t have to for much longer). But I noticed that I liked her character a lot more after reading Last Archer. Which is interesting, because in that book we see her as her “normal” self, not trying to fill a huge gap. Granted, I liked a lot of characters more after Last Archer.
I have a hard time picking favorites, but Helmer’s probably top 3 or 5.
May 8, 2019 at 9:59 pm #36317Gryffindor GirlGuest
Gosh, I missed a lot!
I don’t even know where to jump back in. Well, let me see…favorite character. I don’t know if I really have one in particular. Jo Shanks, Heather, Picket, Helmer…I really just love them all! As to the whole shipping thing, I’m just going to sit back and enjoy the book without worrying about all the drama. (It’s Heather+Smalls and Picket+Weezie for me, though) 😉 I also want to talk about Kylen. I just now realized it, but he reminds me a lot of another character with a very similar name…
I was just thinking about how the rabbits keep trusting him and he keeps betraying them, and I suddenly thought, “Just like Kylo Ren!” I don’t know if any of you have watched the new Star Wars movies, but I think Kylo and Kylen have very similar character struggles. They both want to turn to to the “light side”, but they are also pulled to the “dark side”. And, at least for me, you hate them but also kind of want them to turn good at the same time. I’m not accusing SD of plagiarism or anything, I just thought it was kind of interesting. I like to compare and contrast characters and ideas from different stories.
About Helmer. Helmer is one of my favorite characters, and yes, I am afraid that SD will kill him off. Him and Jo Shanks. Ah well. That is the way of all fandoms; never get too attached to the characters.
(I made that mistake with the Wingfeather Saga)
Artham: Yes, I am a Harry Potter fan. You probably already know that from my name, though ;). My mom (who hasn’t read the books) was extremely against them, and I didn’t read them until a few months ago. After finishing Book 1, I was like “This is what people are so worked up about?” I definitely agree that the people who haven’t read the books are the ones who are really against them.
About the Hunger Games: I had already read them a few months before I read Harry Potter, and I enjoyed them. Be warned, though. They are definitely written with a mature audience in mind, and they are very dark and violent. (Especially Book 3. I had a hard time reading Book 3 and violence in books and movies does not usually bother me) I also watched the movies, and they were actually less violent than the books, believe it or not. So, if you don’t want to read them until you’re older, that’s probably a good idea.
May 8, 2019 at 10:04 pm #36320Kate H.Guest
Thank you, Gryffindor Girl! I need some back up over here with the whole Picket+Weezie thing, if you ever want to step in! These guys are good debators! (Or is it debatees? No clue!) Either way, its been a real treat! No one I know is tough enough to debate with me about this kind of stuff without getting all upset. It’s super annoying!
May 8, 2019 at 10:11 pm #36322Kate H.Guest
I’m not sure if you guys have had a chance to pass on the Green Ember to others, but I tell you its really fun! Last summer, I brought Ember Rising along with me when I went to hang out with my cousins.
I had fallen in love with the Green Ember a few months earlier and we had just finished Ember Rising over a trip to Russia, Israel, etc. (fun fact, I read about Heather being run through during a layover in Austria. I burst into tears and people all around us were staring. It was hilarious (well, later anyway!)). We were all reading something different, so we decided to do a read-a-thon. We had a sleepover and read aloud from each of our books. My book was decided on as the favourite and we stayed up until 4 am reading. We did the same thing the next night. And the next night (hanging with our family in MB is a week-long party!). We read 49 chapters of Ember Rising in four days (me reading out loud!). Then, they visited us and we finished it. Now we have a read-a-thon every time we see them and I always bring a Green Ember book. Now they’re big fans!
May 8, 2019 at 10:20 pm #36323
That sounds wonderful!!! I love readaloud parties.
May 8, 2019 at 11:24 pm #36336Ian G.Guest
I was really puzzled trying to remember what state MB is, but then I remembered you saying you live in Canada, and then I realized MB is probably Manitoba.
I once heard that traveling by air makes people more likely to cry (stress, low pressure dry air in the plane, large crowds, etc.). I think that’s true; I generally don’t cry much reading books (even when Smalls died I didn’t cry, though it kept me up at night), but I was reading The Faithful Spy (about Dietrich Bonhoeffer) on a flight once and I cried at the end.
I just noticed something. This forum thread has been around over a year, and In the past 2 weeks it’s doubled in number of people and grown in length by probably at least 400%. That’s really amazing.
May 8, 2019 at 11:39 pm #36338Kate H.Guest
LOL! I doubt flying makes me stressed (I’ve basically lived half my life on a plane!), but that does make sense.
Wow! You’re right! I guess I kind of revived it… 😉
May 9, 2019 at 6:55 am #36363Audrey AlexanderGuest
yeah, I agree about the crying while reading books. I haven’t ever cried about a book yet, but I kind of like to push my limits sometimes. same thing with movies, it really annoys me because I feel like I’m not getting the full experience when a character drops dead and I’m hardly sad…does that make sense? It’s like I know it’s not real, and they were never alive before, so why should I be sad? actually, there was one seen in a story where my favorite character’s brains are blown out in front of everyone, and it was so shocking that no one’s expression even changed, they just stared dumbly. I didn’t cry, but it was sad.
May 8, 2019 at 10:27 pm #36325ArthamGuest
That’s cool. Even as a teen my Mom still reads aloud to us (She is a big Sarah Mackenzie fan which is how I found both Green Ember and Wingfeather) and she loved reading the Green Ember aloud.
I am really not that good at debating but if I wanted to win a debate I would bring in my brother who is crazy good at it.
This has been so much fun so far! I love talking and debating about books with people especially when the books are ones that the other people and I are so passionate about.
I hadn’t made the connection between kyle and kylo ren but I can kind of see it now (Even though I like Kyle better) and as you can see by my profile picture I am very much a Star Wars fan. Almost as much as Harry Potter but not quite. I am a Ravenclaw by the way but only slightly more than Hufflepuff.
And I do like the analysis and thanks to you I do like Weezies concept… but I still don’t like her personality. But I did look back through and I really didn’t find much with her being whiney besides her talking about her life so I concede that point. But I still find her personality dull but she may grow on me in the last book as she probably will have more time to be developed.
May 8, 2019 at 11:47 pm #36340Kate H.Guest
I just realized that I might be one of the youngest people here! Wow!
We found both Green Ember and Wingfeather through Sarah Mackenzie too! She’s great! My mom reads them aloud all the time!
I’m really glad I found this place! I had something like this for Green Ember briefly, but it died. 🙁 I thought I was the only one out there who loved this not-so-popular book series enough to debate and discuss it like this, but I’m not! 🙂
If you are at least partially convinced, then I rest my case (for now!). I think that her character will be developed more (it is a little dull right now).
May 9, 2019 at 3:47 am #36349LelaGuest
When’s your birthday?
Mines October 4th so assuming that no one’s younger then twelve we’re the youngest.
(Your twelve right?)
May 9, 2019 at 10:18 am #36379Kate H.Guest
Yeah, I’m older than you (just by a few months). My birthday is in July.
May 9, 2019 at 11:00 pm #36463LelaGuest
Okey, so it seems like I’m the youngest.
May 9, 2019 at 11:02 pm #36464LelaGuest
Also I’m trying to figure out how the times work. (
Does it say the time you posted it in the country you posted it or is it changed to the time of the country your in or something else?
Do you know?
May 9, 2019 at 11:26 pm #36475Ian G.Guest
I think it shows the local time of the person who posted it. Unless I’m somehow communicating with the future (!).
May 10, 2019 at 1:06 am #36480LelaGuest
I was actually meaning that as I leave in China there’s a different time zone then America.
May 8, 2019 at 10:29 pm #36326ArthamGuest
And me and my mom try to convince other people to read it and I think we have gotten a few. I did convince my cousin and my dad to read Wingfeather so Green Ember might be next. I hope so.
May 8, 2019 at 10:31 pm #36327Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Oh and I am changing my name because even though I like Artham I use this name more often and I use way too many different usernames.
May 8, 2019 at 10:35 pm #36328Gryffindor GirlGuest
That sounds amazing, Kate! I wish I could do that with my cousins 🙁 . They live over 8 hours away, so I can only see them a few times every year. I have tried to get them into Green Ember and Wingfeather Saga, I even brought the books to their house so I could read them, but they weren’t interested. There are 3 boys and a girl, between the ages of 5 and 13. The boys don’t like reading, (except the 9 year old, who will only read Diary Of A Wimpy Kid) and the girl is only 5, and just started learning to read. Any ideas on how I can “convert” them?
May 8, 2019 at 11:53 pm #36341Kate H.Guest
Try to make it appealing to the kind of things they like. Like if they like action, talk about the intense scenes. If they like romance, talk about the complicated triangles that we just debated all day (LOL)!
Yeah, I have to fly to my cousin’s (and all my family, on both sides!) house, so we only see them once or twice a year, which sucks because they’re the best people in the world!. They 2, 6, 11, 13, and 15 (soon 16) (I think…), so mostly out of the ‘target audience’. I really don’t think there is a ‘target audience’, these books are like C.S. Lewis’ stuff, timeless and ageless.
I am almost always plastered with some type of Green Ember merch, so it makes it easy to bring it up. AND, my friends all know I’m crazy about (I have quotes all over my walls, etc.), so they don’t care if I try to talk them into it. Fun fact: The sole reason I’m not reading Harry Potter (yet, I’m picking it up in secret, read on to hear why…) is because he’s not reading Green Ember.
May 9, 2019 at 10:23 am #36380Kate H.Guest
Sorry, I just realized I didn’t explain the situation properly!
So there’s this kid in a homeschool group. We’re always arguing with each other and needling each other (it’s awesome, we both love it! Kind of like Emma and Picket in the first book. If they’re any Percy Jackson fans, it’s like Annabeth and Percy, etc.). He only reads Percy Jackson and Harry Potter. We have this ongoing argument about Green Ember and Harry Potter. If I don’t read Harry Potter, he won’t read Green Ember and vice versa. I’ll probably pick it up in secret because I’m out of stuff to read 🙁 , just like I did with Percy Jackson. But I’m sticking to my guns with him!
May 9, 2019 at 7:13 am #36364Audrey AlexanderGuest
if someone isn’t interested in reading, it may be hard. I gave up like five years ago trying to convince my anti-book cousins, but we’re not really that close, so you may have a better chance at it. besides that, we only see each other once a year if that, and there are a lot of cousins, so I’m usually low on the list of priorities to talk to. find out what kind of movies they like. if they like action adventure movies, you can show them how the books are kind of like the movies, you can even suggest they listen to the story on audible if they don’t want to “read” it.” In the end, it will be their choice, and though they may not be interested now, maybe later they will change their mind. if you want to be really annoying, you can buy them the first book for their birthday:)
May 8, 2019 at 10:35 pm #36329Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
And just from looking at it and thinking about it Emma just seems more right for Picket than Weezie but that is just my opinion and as I can’t offer any evidence for that, the best I can do is refute your arguments.
May 8, 2019 at 10:41 pm #36331Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Hmmm converting them could be tough. First maybe find out if they were to read what would they read. Then maybe find books about those things (or ask us) and suggest those to them. I don’t really know but I will ask my mom what she did for others and get back to you.
May 8, 2019 at 10:43 pm #36332Gryffindor GirlGuest
Artham: Yes. Weezie is a bit dull, but I think that SD will probably develop her character further. I also do like Kyle better, Kylo Ren drove me crazy at the end of Episode 9. I was like “Just chose a side and make up your mind already!”
Here’s a question for everyone. What are your fandoms?
I’d say my main fandoms are Lord Of The Rings, Wingfeather Saga, Green Ember, anything written by N.D Wilson, and now Harry Potter.
May 8, 2019 at 10:48 pm #36333Gryffindor GirlGuest
I don’t know, I think if my cousins started to read them they would probably like them, but they are really more of the videogame/sports fanatic type than the fantasy type. (Although they used to be huge Harry Potter fans). I’ll just try talking about the books next time they come to my house or something.
May 8, 2019 at 11:08 pm #36335Ian G.Guest
I think my family has shared it with some friends, but I don’t know many people who are as into it as I am.
I have absolutely no cousins.
Also, I’m a bit above the target audience age, so talking about it to people who aren’t familiar with the series feels kind of odd.
May 9, 2019 at 7:18 am #36367Audrey AlexanderGuest
It does feel weird… come to think of it, that’s probably why my cousins don’t talk to me hardly ever. oh well, I kind of enjoy being a thorn in their foot anyways. especially when it comes to the amount of junk food they eat. I can always freak them out by telling them all the things that have been found in a McDonald’s burger. worms, maggots, cow eyes, etc:)
May 8, 2019 at 11:37 pm #36337Gryffindor GirlGuest
I understand. I actually don’t know any Green Ember fans personally, but I know a lot online that I have never met. And even though I am a bit above the “target age” I still love these books because as C.S Lewis once said, “A children’s story that can only be enjoyed by children is not a good children’s story in the slightest.” And the Green Ember is definitely a good story.
May 9, 2019 at 12:21 am #36342Ian G.Guest
I love that quote. He also said something like “One day you will be old enough to read fairy tales again.”
I’ll certainly be reading these for a long long time.
May 9, 2019 at 7:34 am #36369Audrey AlexanderGuest
He has some great quotes for sure! and I’m sure that every adult and kid should read the Green Ember… maybe it’s not for everyone, I don’t know. 😛
here’s my favorite quote from him:
“I believe in the power of stories. I believe that when they hint at a rebuke to the darkness when they whisper to us that a hero may rise to set things right, they tell the truth. So, in a way, these stories are true. My friend Heidi Jonson says that the best stories are not an escape from reality, but an escape into reality. I believe that, and since I believe it, I made this for you. “
-The Last Archer
May 9, 2019 at 10:28 am #36381Kate H.Guest
Those quotes are my truest inspirations! One of the reasons I love S.D. Smith’s writing (besides the fact that it’s awesome!) is because it inspired me to become the Scribe of the Cause in my own way. I’ve mentioned it briefly, but I’m an author. Reading his work and seeing how it changed my life helped me to believe that I could be that good one day!
What is the ‘target age’ anyway? I’m gonna love these forever! I know of lots of adults who love them!
May 9, 2019 at 3:51 am #36350LelaGuest
Does anyone know if theirs music to go with the songs S.D. Smith has written.
May 9, 2019 at 7:15 am #36366Audrey AlexanderGuest
I looked a while back and couldn’t find any:( unless you want to put some Imagine Dragons music on while you read it, that may actually go well, lol X)
May 9, 2019 at 10:30 am #36382Kate H.Guest
He really should make music for the songs! Didn’t he do a Green Ember song sing-a-long at his Green Ember live tour this year?
May 9, 2019 at 9:00 am #36374ArthamGuest
Wow! Do you people ever sleep?
That C.S.Lewis quote is great. Narnia is in the top 3 book series ever if not higher.
Yep there is music:
Melodies for the Mended Wood, Volume 1 – Download
My favorite books series’s ever in random order are: Green Ember, Wingfeather, Harry Potter, Percy Jackson, Narnia, and Beyonders.
I am almost done with the first book of Outlaws of Time.
I don’t really know if there is a “target audience” for Green Ember and my family is already known for getting all the good books so everyone already knows that I love books.
May 9, 2019 at 10:38 am #36383Kate H.Guest
I’m not sure if Melodies for the Mended Wood is actually songs! I’ve been wondering for a long time!
Take out Beyonders (no clue what that is. What is it?) and Harry Potter and that’s basically my list!
1. Green Ember
3. The Lord of the Rings
4. Percy Jackson
5. The Incorrigible Children of Ashton Place
6. A Series of Unfortunate Events
7. The Heroes of Olympus (the only reason that this is down here is because of bad content. 😐 )
What are the great books in your mind? I read really strange stuff like Homer’s Odyssey (not original ancient Greek, I only read Latin), Herodotus’ Histories, and The Oresteian Trilogy (to name a few). I also read Shakespeare, Ovid, Rostand, Dickens, etc. I love reading, so I figured I’d throw myself into the history of it (that, and I have a program that allows me to analyze and debate about the text, which is awesome!!).
Reading and writing and school are my life summarized (with cousins and friends sprinkled into the mix. I’m an introvert, so not so many friends. It makes me tired. My cousins are the one exception. Those guys rock!) It’s awesome!
May 9, 2019 at 11:08 am #36386ArthamGuest
I count all of the Percy Jackson universe as one series even though it is like 7. And it does have some bad content so I usually don’t recommend to people without mentioning it. Heroes of Olympus didn’t have much but still is good to let people know about.
Incorrigible children of Ashton Place is also one of the best but I didn’t like the last book so it doesn’t make it to the top.
Have you guys read The Giver? It is one of the greatest books in my mind.
Haven’t read series of unfortunate events and have had some mixed reviews about whether or not it was worth reading.
Beyonders is a trilogy by Brandon Mull about a kid going to another world. finish the first book at least, it has an awesome ending. It also has one of my favorite characters ever.
I am learning Greek right now so I hope to read the Odyssey one day in it’s original language
May 9, 2019 at 11:22 am #36388Gryffindor GirlGuest
I have read the Giver, it was an interesting book, but I don’t think it would make it into my favorite book list. As to the Series Of Unfortunate Events, my advice is to not read it. I read all 13 in like a week (which was pretty depressing) and when I finished book 13 I was so angry. The author builds up this enormous mystery, and then just abandons it at the end like he couldn’t figure out how to tie everything together. You never find out the answer, which is super frustrating and also was pretty rude for the author to do that to his readers.
May 9, 2019 at 11:25 am #36389Gryffindor GirlGuest
Just wondering, why didn’t you like the last Ashton book? I thought it was a nice wrap up for the series.
May 9, 2019 at 1:18 pm #36396Kate H.Guest
Well, I’m really into fortune tellers and spirits and curse and such. So sad.
May 9, 2019 at 1:21 pm #36400Kate H.Guest
I read them as e-books and had to wait a long time for each one since they were all on hold, so it took me longer than usual to read them all.
I kind of enjoyed the “drop the reader on an island, literally” ending. I never really hoped that there would be a happy ending, so I was just glad they didn’t all get killed! I can deal with a few unanswered questions. It’s almost delicious thinking about what could happen to them! The series is so clever and funny, though sad. Yeah, reading them all in a week is pretty depressing. I read several in a day and that was the last time I did that.
May 9, 2019 at 11:17 am #36387Gryffindor GirlGuest
I actually have read most of the books you have mention. I read the Histories last year, am working on the Odyssey, and I am going to read the Orestian Trilogy for school. I have read a lot of Shakespeare’s plays, and I am taking an online Dickens class this summer (Tale Of Two Cities and Great Expectations) Your favorite Book list is similar to mine, except for Series Of Unfortunate Events (the end of Book 13 kind of ruined it for me) and I’m not so much of a Narnia fan as I once was. I’m just starting to read the first Percy Jackson book, so I don’t know if I’ll like it or not, and Harry Potter, Wingfeather Saga, Hunger Games, 100 Cupboards, and Outlaws Of Time, are definitely on my list. P.S, Melodies For The Mended Wood is kind of instrumental music to go along with the book. If you go onto the Green Ember website, you can listen to samples of the different tracks.
May 9, 2019 at 1:17 pm #36395Kate H.Guest
Cool! Was there a certain curriculum you used? I used Omnibus.
May 9, 2019 at 1:21 pm #36397Gryffindor GirlGuest
I do something called Kolbe Academy for school. It’s a homeschool curriculum. For Freshman year they have you do Greek History and Greek Literature so that’s why I ended up reading all those books.
May 9, 2019 at 3:42 pm #36415Kate H.Guest
Neat! I’ve done first-year university courses for fun (I can’t get credit for them until Grade 9 🙁 ) and it sounds similar.
May 9, 2019 at 3:40 pm #36414Audrey AlexanderGuest
That’s a good point, Kate.
May 9, 2019 at 3:53 pm #36420Audrey AlexanderGuest
thanks for the link, Artham!
May 9, 2019 at 8:54 pm #36449LelaGuest
Thank you for the link.
May 9, 2019 at 9:09 am #36375ArthamGuest
And this chat seems to double in length every day. Every time I leave I come back to find that at least 12 new things were posted.
If you want to find ways to get kids interested in books then find a Sarah Mackenzie podcast or something about it. They helped my mom get other people into reading.
I got to see Sarah Mackenzie at the member meetup in MO (I was one of two boys there) and she actually laughed at all my teenager comments.
At the GHC in MO, I got to see Andrew Peterson, Jonathan Rodgers, N.D.Wilson (Though I hadn’t read his books yet except the story in the Wingfeather Tales) and Jenifer Trafton.
May 9, 2019 at 10:39 am #36384Kate H.Guest
Lucky! No one comes up here to Canada! x)
May 9, 2019 at 10:07 am #36377Gryffindor GirlGuest
Artham: That’s so cool! I wish I could get to meet all of those authors. I live in the Northeast so I am nowhere near any of the big homeschool conventions. Also, ND Wilson is definitely one of my favorite authors. His books are not for everyone (he really likes to write about some creepy stuff!) but I really enjoyed 100 Cupboards and Outlaws Of Time.
May 9, 2019 at 11:29 am #36390Gryffindor GirlGuest
I just wanted to tell everyone, but a few months back I created a website specifically for young writers called dream.write.now, and now it has over 40 members! All the kids on it are super nice, and there are a lot of Green Ember and Wingfeather Saga fans on there. I don’t know if we’re allowed to put links on here, but if we are, I could put the link on here and you guys could check it out.
May 9, 2019 at 12:51 pm #36392
Go for it!
May 9, 2019 at 1:39 pm #36403Gryffindor GirlGuest
Thanks Madame Sidler!
Here’s the link.
May 9, 2019 at 2:00 pm #36406Kate H.Guest
Cool! I signed up! Who are you?
May 9, 2019 at 2:06 pm #36407Gryffindor GirlGuest
Great! I am Miss Throne Warden on the website. Also, if you want to talk to other Green Ember fans on there, go to the Forum, click the Book Club category, and scroll down until you find the Green Ember post. I also made you a writer, so you can make forum posts and put your own stories on the blog.
May 9, 2019 at 2:10 pm #36408Kate H.Guest
May 9, 2019 at 9:22 pm #36452Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Are you the oldest? I am a high king.
May 9, 2019 at 11:10 pm #36466Kate H.Guest
You talking to me? Yeah, I’m the oldest of four.
May 9, 2019 at 1:02 pm #36393Kate H.Guest
Have fun with the Odyssey later on! It took me several weeks to read (this is coming from the girl who read “The House of Hades” (579 pages) in five hours)!
Yeah, I didn’t like the last book in The Incorrigible Children of Ashton Place. Because of it, I can’t really recommend them to people without warning them!
If you liked the narration style of The Incorrigible Children of Ashton Place, then you’ll like Lemony Snicket! It’s weird and sometimes depressing but at the same time its a laugh-out-loud adventure! You just got to get used to it!
May 9, 2019 at 3:02 pm #36410Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Yeah the Odyssey will take a while. I read fast too! (I read all the harry potter in 3 weeks and decent amount of that was waiting for the next book to come into the library) I like listening to audio books so they last longer.
Flamebearers would be my vote for now but let’s see if we think anything else.
I’ve seen some Lemony Snicket quotes and they are awesome.
And Ashton place climax was anticlimactic. Nothing really happened. It was all building up to that one day and the fifth cub but then nothing happened.
May 9, 2019 at 3:20 pm #36411Gryffindor GirlGuest
Yes. I read the last one like 2 years ago and I kind of forgot what it was like, but now that I think about it, it was kind of anticlimactic. I agree with Flamebearers. It just sounds the best.
I actually read Harry Potter as a an ebook, so I didn’t have to wait for the next one to be available at the library. I ended up reading all 7 in 3 days!
May 9, 2019 at 3:52 pm #36419Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
What did you read the last of two years ago?
How did you read the Harry Potter in three days? Did you do nothing else and not sleep? I read all the Harry Potter when I was studying for Quiz Bowl and doing school and still getting enough sleep and I wish I could have read them on ebook because the days I was waiting for the books were torture.
May 9, 2019 at 4:03 pm #36423Audrey AlexanderGuest
I guess there’s wanting to read a book, and then there’s determined to read a book. I’ve read 44 books this year. before you ask if I have a life…yes, yes I do. four hours of farm chores twice a day, then the two-hour daily farm project, then falconry. And before you ask if I ever sleep… I have coffee, who needs sleep?
Yeah, I may have a problem.
May 9, 2019 at 4:04 pm #36426Kate H.Guest
Wow. And I thought my schedule was tight. That’s… impressive.
May 9, 2019 at 4:05 pm #36427Kate H.Guest
Falconry, you say? That sounds interesting.
May 9, 2019 at 4:09 pm #36429Audrey AlexanderGuest
yeah, it’s fun. it can be intimidating at first, especially since raptors can sense emotion even better than horses. It’s just for fun mostly, since it’s impossible to make money at it, but you can make some money back by selling the hides of your catch and using the meat to feed yourself.
May 9, 2019 at 4:10 pm #36430Kate H.Guest
Wow! I didn’t know people still did falconry! Sounds like fun!
May 9, 2019 at 4:24 pm #36431Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
I usually read 100 books a year (not counting rereads which I do a lot of) I deffinetly have less chores than you do. And falconry sounds like a really cool thing to spend time on. I guess falconry really isn’t off topic since there are birds of prey in green ember lol.
I’ve read a lot fewer books this year because I did mostly audio books and the Beyonders (I did them in audio and the narator is amazing) are 15 hours long each.
May 9, 2019 at 6:56 pm #36439Audrey AlexanderGuest
that sounds like fun:) I’m always excited to find a good audiobook. I thought Joel Clarkson was a good reader for the Green Ember books.
May 9, 2019 at 5:50 pm #36437Gryffindor GirlGuest
I read the last Ashton Place book about 2 years ago, or whenever it came out, and I read the Harry Potter books in 3 days because I was sick and I couldn’t really do anything else, and I am also an extremely fast reader.
May 9, 2019 at 1:16 pm #36394Kate H.Guest
I’ve never read N.D. Wilson, that I can recall. What does he write?
Here’s some food for thought:
So, I noticed that Wingfeather fans are called Featherheads and Harry Potter fans are called… no clue but I think there’s something…
What are Green Ember fans called?
Here are some brainstormed ideas:
1. Menders: This one makes sense. I thought about ’causers’, like the Akolan resistance but that just sounds… wrong.
2. Flame/torchbearers: For ‘bear the flame’.
3. Oathkeepers: As in the oath, “My place beside you, etc.”
5. Packslayers (a personal favourite!): Named for Picket Packslayer (I love that song).
May 9, 2019 at 1:34 pm #36402Gryffindor GirlGuest
ND Wilson is a Christian author who writes YA fantasy novels. He has three series and two stand alone novels so far. My favorite one of his series is called Outlaws Of Time, which is a really cool Western/Time Travel trilogy. I also like his 100 Cupboards trilogy which is more in the vein of Narnia and Harry Potter. He is friends with both SD and Andrew Peterson, so his stories share a lot of similar themes. A warning, though. He believes in having scary villains for his heroes to defeat, and when he says scary villains, he MEANS scary villains. Some of his books venture a bit into the paranormal/horror territory, but I kind of like that.
About Lemony Snicket. I did read Unfortunate Events, and I was sadly disappointed by the ending (see one of my previous comments) and that kind of ruined the series for me.
Also, I was thinking the same exact thing you were the other day! If a Wingfeather Saga fan is a Featherhead, a Dr. Who fan is a Whovian, a Star Trek fan is a Trekkie, and a Harry Potter fan is a Potterhead, what are Green Ember fans called? Emberites? There should be an official name.
May 9, 2019 at 3:47 pm #36416Audrey AlexanderGuest
not to be rude…but I think we may be drifting from Green Ember topics a tiny bit…
May 9, 2019 at 3:47 pm #36417Audrey AlexanderGuest
sorry, didn’t mean to comment that, meant to make it a post…oops
May 9, 2019 at 3:56 pm #36421Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
I think it is okay to drift a bit. If you want we could move to a different forum.
May 9, 2019 at 4:05 pm #36428Audrey AlexanderGuest
that’s okay, Artham. I just don’t want this to become something that people treat like facebook, does that make sense? I don’t mind it that much, though.
May 9, 2019 at 3:59 pm #36422Kate H.Guest
Let’s try not to drift. I tell you, when S.D. Smith lets out Ember 4, we’re going to go crazy!
May 9, 2019 at 4:04 pm #36425Audrey AlexanderGuest
thanks, Kate! yes, book four is going to be awesome! Anyone got any theories for it? like, a basic plot idea?
May 9, 2019 at 4:29 pm #36432Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
I think we are running out of Green Ember things to talk about which is why we all started to drift a bit.
Here are some questions to talk about
1. But do you think everyone will reunite before or after the big battle?
2. Do you think the Terralain soldiers will come in and save the day in the final battle like most books or will the come in before that?
3. Will the battle happen in first warren or somewhere else?
4. Who will kill Morbin? (We talked about this one some already)
I have some more but we’ll talk about these first
May 9, 2019 at 7:08 pm #36441Audrey AlexanderGuest
thanks, Artham. I’m thinking Heather and Smalls will escape the cave–possibly with the help of Garten, I’m wondering if he has been secretly feeding Smalls or something to keep him alive, seeing as how he (as previously mentioned) stabbed Heather in the “middle” where there are no vital organs. or maybe Garten (am I spelling his name right?) will tip Picket off about their location. or he could use them as gambling pieces with Morbin. maybe he got fed up with being bossed around by a bird, so he’s going to keep them alive and use them against Morbin for his own vile purposes. I’m not sure what my answers would be to some of these questions… I’ll have to put some thought into it. I’m kind of thinking Morbin will just escape, fly off, never to be seen again in the end. maybe he’ll choke on a frog or something and die. ooh! he might die laughing like an antagonist did in a different book I read. (weird, right?) last two ideas probably won’t happen, but you never know… 😀
May 9, 2019 at 9:33 pm #36454Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
I think we can all agree that whether or not Garten is good or becomes good or stays bad, he needs to die. He and Morbin are the two characters that absolutely need to die.
I really want Wilfred to kill Morbin. We never see the uncle of the main characters kill the final villian (though the book that I have planed out in my head has the uncle kill the villian)
I think it would be awesome for Helmer to kill Morbin but I think it should be a longtreader.
May 9, 2019 at 9:36 pm #36457Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Heyward or Dr. Zeiger killed morbin
May 10, 2019 at 3:02 pm #36520Audrey AlexanderGuest
Well, no one is actually and totally forever evil. no one is born evil. in truth, “evil” is only a word used in a child’s story or fairy tale. It’s more, protagonist, antagonist. if I’m the protagonist in a story and I want to own a raccoon, then the law and government are the antagonists in my story because they keep me from owning the raccoon. At any point, Garten could change. everyone can change. whether or not he will, is yet to be seen. I’d like to believe that SD wouldn’t portray a world in which one cannot come back from wrongdoings. that once evil is done, it cannot be forgiven. of course, though he may change from evil, he will still have consequences. we don’t know for sure yet what the punishments in Natalia are, but it could be as much as a public hanging, beheading, or even just banishment. Then we will see how much of a fox-hearted coward Garten is. if he decides to face the punishment, or run, or be killed in combat. there is also the possibility of just being put in prison.
May 9, 2019 at 7:11 pm #36442Kate H.Guest
Yeah, you’re spelling it right.
May 9, 2019 at 7:52 pm #36444Gryffindor GirlGuest
Ok. This is kind of off topic, but it is something that has been bothering me for a long time. In the Green Ember books, where are all the female wolves and raptors? I mean, we see both male and female rabbits, but only males of the other kinds of animals. Even if they were just mentioned or something, it would make a little more sense. Here’s a plot line I would like to see: Maybe we could have a female hawk or wolf as a servent in Morbin’s lair, who turns to the good side, and becomes a kind of double agent for the rabbits. I mean, we have both male and female and good and evil rabbits, but only evil males of the other kinds of animals. It would be a lot more, I don’t know, “realistic” if the bad side had more dimension. It would also be a lot more interesting if we could learn more about Morbin and how the whole predator hierarchy thing works.
May 9, 2019 at 9:25 pm #36453Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
I don’t think that is off topic.
It is very weird that there are no female wolves and raptors. Have you noticed how most evil females are usually supposed to be creepy? So weird. And how come the main villian is always male?
May 9, 2019 at 11:12 pm #36469Kate H.Guest
I never really thought about. Huh.
I think Picket should kill Morbin, but who knows?
May 9, 2019 at 11:13 pm #36470Kate H.Guest
Or Smalls! Smalls should kill Morbin! Morbin has committed most of his evil acts against Smalls’ family, so…
May 10, 2019 at 1:47 am #36486Gryffindor GirlGuest
While that is often true, the main villain isn’t always male. I mean, think about Disney. They have their fair share of female villains. The Evil Queen, the godmother from Cinderella, Maleficent, Ursula, Cruella De Vil, Yzma from Emperors New Groove, Mother Gothel, even the sheep from Zootopia!
May 10, 2019 at 8:34 am #36501Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Oh I forgot about disney. I can’t think of anything longer than one movie or one book where the main villian is a female.
May 10, 2019 at 3:31 pm #36525Audrey AlexanderGuest
actually, in the Hunger Games there’s a female antagonist who burns a little girl, then gets killed by the little girl’s sister. that’s three examples, depending on if your on the little girl’s side,( who wouldn’t want her older sister to commit murder, making her sister an antagonist to the girl’s wishes, and also making the woman an antagonist because she killed the little girl, causing her older sister go to jail) the woman’s, (who wouldn’t want to be murdered, making the older sister yet again an antagonist) or the older sister, (who wouldn’t want her sister to be murdered.)
May 9, 2019 at 9:50 pm #36459Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
My brother just had an idea. He said that Sween should kill Morbin. I would not be opposed to that.
May 9, 2019 at 10:49 pm #36462Gryffindor GirlGuest
Yes! That would be epic. Another thing, in book 1, when the dad is telling Heather and Picket the King Jupiter story, and he says King Jupiter “forged historically unthinkable alliances with squirrels, the smaller birds, and most of the smaller animals of the forest.” And Picket has a dream about riding a cardinal. What? What happened to all of the “smaller animals of the forest”? Why do they not show up in the story at all?
May 9, 2019 at 11:14 pm #36471Kate H.Guest
Yeah! I guess they’re just unthinkable alliances, as in nobody think about them. It would be kind of random if they showed up now, so…
May 10, 2019 at 1:20 am #36483Gryffindor GirlGuest
I agree. I’m glad that he didn’t add squirrels or chipmunks or rats or something, because then it would be going off into Redwall territory, and I’m not really a fan of Redwall. Having some good birds would be cool, though. It would kind of even up the odds on the rabbit side.
May 10, 2019 at 1:17 pm #36515Kate H.Guest
My mom thinks that some birds will turn good. That would be a good thing, but it kind of mixes up the sides too much and it makes it feel like a free-for-all. Also, if I were the resistance, I wouldn’t be too thrilled… or quick to trust any ‘good’ raptors.
This feels strange. For once in my life, I don’t know where the story is going! It’s awesome!
May 10, 2019 at 3:34 pm #36526Audrey AlexanderGuest
let’s just hope they have a line of rabbis willing to feed themselves to the birds. otherwise, the “good” raptor, won’t be considered “good” for long. and no, unfortunately for the story, they can’t live as vegetarians.
May 9, 2019 at 11:16 pm #36472LelaGuest
I wonder if the dragons are going to help Smalls and Heather.
A lot of Heathers dreams had scaly hands in them…
May 10, 2019 at 1:17 am #36482Gryffindor GirlGuest
I’m not so sure about that. The dragons didn’t seem exactly friendly in the Wreck and Rise Of Whitson Mariner.
May 9, 2019 at 11:18 pm #36473LelaGuest
Or maybe there’s something that can summon the birds and other animals…
May 10, 2019 at 2:16 am #36490LelaGuest
Or maybe the stone sword will be in the cave.
May 10, 2019 at 8:53 am #36504Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
I think we might have talked about this up there but that was a long way uo there si I think this is what had as ideas of what was in the cave:
Other old treasures
May 10, 2019 at 8:54 am #36506Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Okay I typed that too fast sorry my keyboard is kinda small and I am used to a real one. (I’m on my tablet)
May 9, 2019 at 11:22 pm #36474Ian G.Guest
My gosh I’ve missed a lot today.
When book 4 comes out, I’ll start a new thread so that this one doesn’t get too ridiculously long. Though as it is, we might benefit from starting an Ember Rising discussion volume 2 so that a month from now we won’t have to spend hours on end scrolling to the bottom 😉.
May 10, 2019 at 8:50 am #36503Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Where do you go that you miss the whole day? Are you working or school?
You don’t have to say if you don’t want to of course.
May 10, 2019 at 1:23 pm #36517Ian G.Guest
I just hadn’t taken the time to check on everything that had happened until right before I made that post.
May 10, 2019 at 1:15 pm #36514Kate H.Guest
Yeah, we might actually need a volume two! It would make it simpler.
May 10, 2019 at 1:05 am #36479LelaGuest
Sounds like a good plan.
May 10, 2019 at 8:49 am #36502Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
In my opinion I think it should be a Longtreader to kill Morbin. It makes sense because of how a Longtreader started it all so a Longtreader to finish it all. In almost every book, movie etc. The main hero kills the main villian which is why I would prefer it not to be Picket or Heather. Which leaves us four known options: Wilfred, Garten, Sween, or the Dad (I forgot his name again and am too lazy to go look it up right now, don’t judge me). In many other things the traitor turns back and kills the main villian. Garten, if he turns back, should give his life helping but not kill Morbin. So that leaves me with Sween Wilfred and the dad. I think Wilfred would be the best (The uncle in the books never kills the main villian) then the Dad (Why does the dad always have to die? He should kill the main villian at least once) and last Sween (I put her as third because she has no known sword training so it could be a little weird for her to take down the main villian)
My opinion^ doesn’t have to be yours. But if you disagree let me know so I can hear your side.
May 10, 2019 at 1:14 pm #36512Kate H.Guest
I think it should be Smalls, assuming he manages to join the fight. Here’s why:
1. Smalls is the future king. It would definitely make him a hero in his people’s eyes.
2. Morbin killed his father and tore his family apart. It should be Smalls who deals vengeance and ushers in the Mended Wood, his father’s dream.
I can’t think of any more at the moment. Any thoughts?
May 10, 2019 at 8:51 pm #36547LelaGuest
Most of the people (rabbits) already love Smalls (I think) and he’s stuck in a cave at the moment.
I think that Sween or Wilfred are good ideas – Sween was/is working at the palace (can you call it that?) so it would be easier for her to kill him.
However, somebody said that Wilfred should kill him as he hasn’t done anything yet.
I think that’s a good idea too (as long as he’s still alive.)
May 10, 2019 at 1:19 pm #36516Kate H.Guest
Their Dad’s name is Whittle. Why should Sween kill Morbin? That seems kind of random.
May 10, 2019 at 3:14 pm #36523Audrey AlexanderGuest
I believe the reason fathers always die in books is that they have the most dangerous job of protecting and providing for the family, whereas mothers care for the children and keep the house in order, so they normally don’t die as often unless burglary or something happens. also, men have the instinct to protect and defend, so they find themselves thrown into harms way more often.
May 10, 2019 at 4:27 pm #36532Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Good reasons thanks! But it has become a bit of a cliche but not necessarily a bad one but still predictable.
Sween killing Morbin would be good because no one would see it coming! (Except us) It would be a great plot twist and it would still be Longtreader! I can see that Smalls could be okay (predictable but okay) but Wilfred now feels like he failed twice. He watched both Jupiter die and Smalls be carried off. He has not taken off the shame of being a Longtreader even if everyone forgives him. I want Wilfred to save Smalls in the final battle as a parallel to him not saving Jupiter.
May 10, 2019 at 6:13 pm #36535Audrey AlexanderGuest
that’s a good idea. Have him make peace with his failure.
May 10, 2019 at 1:25 pm #36518Kate H.Guest
I had an idea!
Green Ember Trivia, Session 1:
1. What is King Jupiter’s wife’s name/title?
2. What is Gort’s famous quote about salt?
3. What is the name of the white buck Heather met at “Wrongtreader” High Command?
4. Who was Melody’s (the doe that was killed in Morbin’s lair) father?
5. What are the names of the Willow twins?
Rules: No looking it up in the books (I did these by memory)! The person with the most right answers wins.
May 10, 2019 at 2:33 pm #36519Ian G.Guest
1. Lady Glen (Glenn?)
2. “Too little salt is an insalt, and too much salt is an asalt!” (Not sure on spelling there)
3. Hadley (called so because it’s his name)
4. The tunneller, if I remember correctly.
5. Oof. I don’t remember. I do know that the boy thinks medicine tastes “like mudpuddle and trash” and that the girl is certain she will be carried off… But I don’t remember their names.
May 10, 2019 at 7:04 pm #36538Kate H.Guest
I’m just going to say that the winner is Ian, ’cause he basically got them all right, first.
1. Lady Glenn
2. “Too little salt in an insult, too much salt is an assault.”
4. The tunneler
5. Lukan and Elska
May 10, 2019 at 7:12 pm #36539Kate H.Guest
1. [Fill in the blank] “I could stitch and sew ten times as fast as I do. I could make near perfect uniforms. Instead, I make sure that ___ in every ______ will come unstitched in what I hope will be the most inopportune time.”
2. [From The Last Archer] What did Jo forget when entering the battle simulation in the last round of the archer’s cup?
3. What kind of tree served as a memorial to the Silver Prince?
4. Who shattered the tenth window in light hall?
5. What is Helmer’s full name/title?
May 10, 2019 at 7:57 pm #36540Ian G.Guest
You came up with these and know the answer off the top of your head?
I know 2 and 5 easily, but the others I might have to make an educated guess. I’ll think about it little bit more.
May 10, 2019 at 8:40 pm #36543LelaGuest
1 One in every ten.
2 his arrows.
I can’t remember 3 or 5
May 10, 2019 at 8:49 pm #36545Ian G.Guest
1. I’ll guess 1 in 3 (???)
2. His quiver
3. An oak (is there such thing as a silver oak?) (???)
4. Perkinson (?)
5. Lord Captain of the King’s Army
Wow. You’ve read them a decent bit more in 1 year than I have in 4.
I’m trying to think of some questions I could post. Trouble is, some of them I don’t remember the answer 🙄. I might have to check the books.
May 10, 2019 at 10:01 pm #36549ArthamGuest
Come on I was at a trivia night so I didn’t get to answer earlier.
Here is the answers I came up with even though I saw some of the other people’s answers
1. one in ten
2. his quiver right? not completely sure
3. don’t know but after I saw Ian’s I think he is right about the silver oak
4. Bleston (I kind of like that scene)
5. Lord Captain of the king’s army.
May 11, 2019 at 7:49 am #36577Audrey AlexanderGuest
yeah, I missed it too…dumb storms killing electricity, how rude. (insert annoyed emoji here)
May 10, 2019 at 8:02 pm #36541Kate H.Guest
Oh yeah, I’m really into reading for detail and also reading over and over again. I’ve read The Green Ember 9 times, The Blackstar of Kingston 6 times, Ember Falls 12 times, The Last Archer at least 7 times, Ember Rising 17 or 18 times, and Wreck and Rise twice.
May 10, 2019 at 8:41 pm #36544LelaGuest
Wow, you must be really busy reading.
May 10, 2019 at 11:59 pm #36553Kate H.Guest
I only read them when I run out of other things to read. 😉
1. 1 in 20
2. His quiver.
3. An oak (called the Bleston Oak)
5. Lord Captain of the King’s Army OR Helmer the Black (I would accept both).
May 11, 2019 at 12:20 am #36556Ian G.Guest
1 in 20? You can do worse than that, Mr. Weaver!
May 11, 2019 at 8:10 am #36578Audrey AlexanderGuest
I really like the idea of a trivia! thanks, Kate. I know I haven’t participated yet, but I’d love to participate in the next one. in the meantime, I thought I would put one together.
-what buck told Picket that he thought himself to be “bird food” in Ember Falls?
-how did Harbone believe Flint’s sword came about? (Ember Rising)
-did Emma travel to Blackstone by day or night? (Ember Rising)
-what did Heather tell Perkison after Smalls died? (Ember Falls)
May 11, 2019 at 8:55 pm #36634Audrey AlexanderGuest
okay, answers to my trivia post:
-Lalla is correct
– close. it does say there are many theories on it, but this is what i was talking about:
“…but in our craft lore, we remember that Flint forged the first sword. it did come from the stars, but it came as a falling star made of unbreakable steel. of this substance, the sky sword was made–the stone sword of legend.”
– by night, correct:)
-very close. her exact words were: “A friend? I have not just lost a friend, Perkinson. WE have lost–the whole world has lost!–a great and noble rabbit. we have lost our hope. The Green Ember is snuffed out, and the new world will never flourish now as it should have. Smalls is dead. Hope is dead.”
I’ll say Kate wins:D
May 11, 2019 at 10:04 am #36584Kate H.Guest
1. Lallo (Chapter: Bird Food)
2. He forged it (either from unbreakable steel or he just broke away the casing, there are a few ideas).
3. By night (Chapter: Emma’s March).
4. Ooh. I’ll do my best. “A friend? We have lost, the whole world has lost, a great and noble rabbit!” She also says something like, “Smalls is dead, hope is dead.”
May 11, 2019 at 12:58 pm #36608Ian G.Guest
I agree with all of those answers, though I’ll admit I didn’t know the first one, and the fourth was kind of uncertain. That scene was really powerful, though.
May 11, 2019 at 1:01 pm #36610Audrey AlexanderGuest
I’ll send the answers out in a little while.
May 11, 2019 at 10:06 am #36585Kate H.Guest
Can anyone else here recite Green Ember? I’ve memorized Heather’s speech to the tunneler.
May 11, 2019 at 12:27 pm #36600Audrey AlexanderGuest
Ember Rising chapter one
Heather closed her eyes, wincing as she lurched forward. her uncle shoved her roughly to the hangar at the end of Morbin’s lair.
“Now you’ll join the slaves,” Garten Longtreader growled. “you’ll see what it means to defy Lord Morbin.”
barbed retorts came to her, but she swallowed them down. I need to stay alive now.
AND THE STORY GOES ON. I have the whole first chapter virtually memorized word for word of all the main books, along with favorite chapters, important chapters, etc. (I should, at least by now, if not then I really wasted my time reading the first book 49 times)
May 11, 2019 at 12:33 pm #36601Kate H.Guest
Wow. I hereby dub you “The Green Ember Nerd Who Has Read the Most Green Ember”. I have some reading to do…
May 11, 2019 at 1:28 pm #36612Ian G.Guest
49 times? That means that on average you’ve read GE once every month for the past 4 years.
May 11, 2019 at 9:15 pm #36637Audrey AlexanderGuest
yikes. maybe I should tone it down a notch before I end up with glasses! jk. yeah, Artham, you just may be the smartest of us all. actually having a life–ha!–never heard of anything so ridiculous! (that’s sarcasm, by the way) 😉
May 11, 2019 at 10:27 am #36587Kate H.Guest
1. Who was Lady Luciane Blackstar?
2. Which rabbit sang ‘Picket Packslayer’ in the cave in First Warren?
3. How did ‘the herald’ (the bringer of the story into First Warren) die?
4. Who was Weezie sister?
5. Who is the lord of Blackstone Citadel?
May 11, 2019 at 1:35 pm #36613Ian G.Guest
1. Cole and Heyna’s mother (or else Fleck Blackstar’s wife)
2. I don’t remember his name.
3. Arrow in the back.
4. Layra, I think.
5. Lord… Rogan? I know he was Helmer’s old friend, but I’m not sure about his name.
May 11, 2019 at 9:12 pm #36636Audrey AlexanderGuest
– Wife of 2nd Lord Blackstar and daughter to King Whitson and Queen Lillie, I think.
-arrow to the back (as Ian said)
-I don’t remember…
-and Lord Hewson
May 11, 2019 at 5:18 pm #36623Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Ok I don’t know if I should feel bad for not knowing these or feel good that I actually have life. JJ. I have to admit that you guys are bigger Green Ember nerds than I am. I didn’t think that was possible.
May 11, 2019 at 10:59 pm #36642Kate H.Guest
1. Daughter of King Whitson and Queen Lillie. I think she was Fleck Blackstar’s wife. Don’t quote me on that.
3. Arrow in the back.
5. Lord Ronan (no one got this right!)
May 11, 2019 at 11:05 pm #36644Audrey AlexanderGuest
actually, Ian was closest to getting Lord Ronan right, so I think he gets that one by default.
May 11, 2019 at 11:00 pm #36643Kate H.Guest
Its a really close tie between Audrey and Ian, but I’d have to say Ian, ’cause he almost got number four right.
May 11, 2019 at 11:07 pm #36645Kate H.Guest
I hope to stump you guys with these beauties!
1. What two types of bird were at Jupiter’s crossing when Picket saved Prince Smalls (my sister thought of this one)?
2. In Heather’s room at Cloud Mountain (book 1) there was a painting she liked. Who painted it?
3. What was the full name of Smalls’ grandfather?
4. What was the name of the rabbit (in Tales of Old Natalia books 1 and 2) who once worked at a bricker?
5. When cornered by patrolling soldiers in Akolan, what did Heather say her name was?
I’m doing all these questions from memory, so if you think I’m wrong, feel free to challenge me!
May 11, 2019 at 11:29 pm #36650Audrey AlexanderGuest
-Finbar Smalls (not sure on the spelling there)
-King Walter good…?
-didn’t read that book
– and as far as the two birds: A “giant” eagle, and the other a hawk. (Though it doesn’t mention an actual type of bird, just general size, diet, and description. Though they wouldn’t have to be exceptionally big to take a rabbit, especially a small wild rabbit. Haha!—small wild rabbit…smalls….small….okay, I’m gonna leave now.)
May 12, 2019 at 12:17 am #36653Ian G.Guest
1. A hawk and an eagle, I think.
2. Finbarr Smalls
3. Um, King Good is all I remember.
4. Jimmi, of course.
(Actually, those were the easiest yet for me.) Next 5;
6. Dreams, songs, war
7. Um… something about “my baby girl”???
9. I don’t know (third base!)
10. “We are here and alive. Let us make a life for ourselves, and end our resistance.” Or something of that ilk.
Still thinking up my own questions!
May 12, 2019 at 8:53 am #36667ArthamGuest
Hawk and eagle (I have bird watchers in my family so I notice bird names)
King Walter the good
May 11, 2019 at 11:08 pm #36646Kate H.Guest
Sorry, in questions 4 I meant “…as a bricker.”
May 11, 2019 at 11:16 pm #36649Kate H.Guest
Okay. Sorry. I can’t help myself. I just thought of more great questions. Set 2:
6. [Fill in the black] “For Heather, there were _____ and there were ______, and they seemed to be at ___.”
7. What is the last line of the song Heather’s mother sang to her when she first woke in their Akolanian (?) home?
8. What kind of tea did Heather drink during her first meal with her family?
9. What is the name of the rabbit who’s broken arm Heather examined?
10. What is Akolan’s creed?
May 12, 2019 at 2:38 am #36656LelaGuest
I know His is of the topic, but does anyone know how to get a photo next to your name?
May 12, 2019 at 8:51 am #36666ArthamGuest
You sign up on gravatar. just click on our profile pictures to get there. Try to get one as cool as mine or Kate’s.
May 12, 2019 at 11:56 am #36674Kate H.Guest
Fun fact: I have a whole collection of Green Ember avatars for various sites.
– Weezie with her bow
– Picket knocking down a wolf
– Heather on the front of Ember Rising
– Picket and Heather on the front of Ember Falls
– Jo Shanks (the one I’m using)
Do you guys think I should change it, just for fun? If so, which one?
May 12, 2019 at 3:44 pm #36684Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Stick wih Jo because Jo is awesome.
May 13, 2019 at 3:18 am #36718LelaGuest
I like the one you’ve got up.
I like Nate more then Jo even though Jo was the main character, he just seemed – nicer?
May 13, 2019 at 3:43 am #36719LelaGuest
May 13, 2019 at 3:44 am #36720LelaGuest
Great, it worked.
May 12, 2019 at 11:54 am #36673Kate H.Guest
Answers (we got a good response this time!):
1. Hawk and eagle.
2. Finbar Smalls
3. King Walter Good
4. Jimmi Docker
6. Songs, dreams, war.
7. “Home, home and home again!”
9. Jabe (I stumped you!!)
10. “We are here and alive. Let us make a life for ourselves, among our own kind, and end our resistance against destiny. Peace and prosperity forever!” (I’m not a hundred percent sure of the sentence structures, but I’m pretty sure of the words. Feel free to challenge if I got it wrong!)
May 12, 2019 at 3:34 pm #36681Ian G.Guest
I’ve got some:
1. (Green Ember) What is the name of the young doe whose calling ceremony Heather and Picket see at Cloud Mountain?
2. Which book’s copyright information includes “Hundreds of imaginary animals were harmed in the making of this book”?
3. (Whitson Mariner) How many masts does Vanguard have?
4. (Ember Rising) What poet does Whittle quote, saying “we often cry more intensely in our joys than in our sorrows”?
5. What two of Whittle’s stories does Heather cite to prove Whittle is better than the aforementioned poet?
May 12, 2019 at 3:42 pm #36683Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
1. Gloria right? She later helped with the healing
2. Ember Falls (I think so at least)
3. Idk 3?
4. Idk but I’ll try to remember. I only read Ember Rising twice so I am weak on that one.
5. Ugh I don’t remember.
May 13, 2019 at 5:28 pm #36753Ian G.Guest
1. Gloria Folds
2. Ember Falls
4. Herbare Fond
5. “Goofhack the Babbler” and “Brittle Wits of Sharp Dulls.”
I think Kate wins.
May 12, 2019 at 6:44 pm #36702Kate H.Guest
1. I wanted to ask this question but couldn’t remember the answer. I saw Artham’s answer and the only way I can elaborate is by recalling that her last name was Folds or something like that.
2. Ember Falls. I knew that.
3. 3. I think it’s a ketch.
4. Herbert/Hubert/Herber/Huber Fond. Something like that.
5. Goofhack the Babbler and the Sharpe wits of brittle dulls? Like I said, it’s along those lines.
May 13, 2019 at 3:47 am #36721LelaGuest
I was just thinking, it said at the beginning of the green ember that since Jacket was born this kind of thing had happened a lot. (Meaning that people had come to their house.) Do you think this could mean something, or do you think it was just something to say it had happened before?
May 13, 2019 at 5:10 pm #36750Kate H.Guest
1. [The Last Archer] With whom did Jo Shanks “partner and clash”?
2. What is the name of Lord Hewson’s youngest son?
4. In what chapter does Heather reveal the Green Ember to her parents?
5. What is the name of Lord Hewson’s wife?
6. What is the name of the rabbit who told Heather the tunneler was dead?
7. True or false, Captain Vitton had three gold bands around his arm.
8. Which character in Ember Rising had his teeth filed to points?
9. How many “battle bucks” were training in the cavern with the ships (in the seventh district) when Heather first saw it?
10. How long did Helmer say it would take for Picket to run to Harbone Citadel?
May 14, 2019 at 10:39 pm #36811Ian G.Guest
Wow these are tough.
1. Uh… Junder?
2. No idea
3. Snoden (dec’d)
4. Um… “High Heather”, maybe (no idea on the chapter number.)
5. I don’t know.
6. Stretch (dec’d)
7. False; I think it was five.
8. Captain Vitton (dec’d, thank the Leapers)
9. 20 (???)
10. Twenty minutes at a dead run.
May 14, 2019 at 4:00 am #36769LelaGuest
8. Captain Vitton
10. Twenty minutes.
I’m so bad at this, you’ve come up with some really good questions.
May 14, 2019 at 12:34 pm #36787Kate H.Guest
Thanks! Sorry, I forgot to do number 3! Also, for number 4 I would prefer the name of the chapter ’cause I don’t know the number. Here’s number 3:
3. What is the name of Helmer’s brother-in-law?
May 14, 2019 at 10:56 pm #36812Kate H.Guest
4. To Make Us Brave
7. False, it was five (good job Ian!)
8. Captain Vitton (Ian, your answer made me laugh out loud! I share your feelings whole heartedly!)
9. 100 battle bucks.
10. A twenty minute dead run
Ian won by 1 or 2 questions.
May 15, 2019 at 2:21 am #36823LelaGuest
I didn’t have a clue about the chapter name or number so I guessed.
I checked later and it was chapter ten.
May 15, 2019 at 2:39 am #36824LelaGuest
(I wrote then down while I was rereading, Hopefully that counts.)
1.What was the rule of the seven mounds in Nick hollow.
2.What was the signal to get into cloud mountain?
3.What did the terralain flag look like?
4.What was the pendent on the necklace Smalls gave Heather?
5. Heather said Emma sounded like the great scribe of the cause instead of me, and Emma said Heather sounded like something, what was it?
(Hint T__ G____ B_______ W_______ P____)
6. Fill in the gaps. The 1______ 2________ 3____, the seed of the 4___ 5______ smoulders, 6________ is on the 7_________, but a 8_____ 9_____ first. 10_____ the 11_____.
(The numbers aren’t really in the text, I put them in there so you didn’t have to write it out again.
7. What was the name of the Widow who was Whitson’s advisor? (From TWaRoWM)
May 15, 2019 at 11:00 am #36840Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
1. Do you mean that the 1st 4th and 7th have exits?
2. Do you have something sweet or savory? (Or something like that)
3. Silver stars and a blue (or black?) Background.
5. A better queen?
6. The Green Ember burns,the seed of the new world smolders, healing is on the horizon but a fire comes first. Bear the flame.
7. Mother Saramac
May 15, 2019 at 1:18 pm #36844Kate H.Guest
1. Did it tell us? I’ve always been confused about that.
2. Something about food. Might you have something sweet or savoury, I think.
3. Silver stars on a black background.
4. A flame or torch.
5. I knew this one the best! The Great Babbler Without Pause! Heather: You sound like the great Scribe of the cause! Emma: And you sound like the great babbler without pause! Something like that. I love that Chapter!
6. “The Green Ember burns, the seed of the new world smolders. Healing is on the horizon, but the fire comes first. Bear the flame.” I have that quote on my wall (along with a hundred others) and it makes me cry just reading it. The passion, the hope, the truth, the bravery. It’s hauntingly, supernaturally beautiful!
7. Mother Saramack.
May 15, 2019 at 3:57 pm #36849Ian G.Guest
1. Um… something about the exits. I don’t remember.
2. “Have you anything savory, or dennish?” (is “dennish” an real word?)
3. It has a silver oak and stars, or something like that.
4. A torch (bear the flame!)
5. The Great Babbler without Pause.
6. The Green Ember rises, the seed of a new world smolders. Healing is on the horizon, but a fire comes first. Bear the flame.
7. Mother Saramack.
May 22, 2019 at 6:05 pm #37051Ian G.Guest
Here’s something slightly random: I messed up the quote on number 6, and was surprised to find out the Green Ember “burns” and not “rises.” Curious, I then checked the chapter “A Defiant Cry” in Ember Falls and realized that Melody says “rises” instead of “burns.” So in a way I quoted a misquote(!).
May 22, 2019 at 6:11 pm #37052Kate H.Guest
I just happened to have Ember Falls sitting on my nightstand as I read your reply, Ian, so I flipped to that chapter and you’re TOTALLY RIGHT! It wouldn’t be the first typo. In Ember Rising, the map says Wandalia Citadel instead of Vandalia Citadel.
May 15, 2019 at 3:38 am #36829LelaGuest
Sorry, this is off the topic again, but do you think I should open a tab where people could write a community story, I mean take turns writing a paragraph?
May 15, 2019 at 12:25 pm #36842Gryffindor GirlGuest
So, you want us to take turns writing a story? That sounds like fun. I would definitely like to do that.
May 16, 2019 at 4:04 am #36863LelaGuest
I those are really good answers, I didn’t think you would get some of them.
I think the rule of the mounds was that there was exits in the mounds who names where odd numbers.
I’m not sure who won, I think it was a draw.
2. Savoury and dennish. (I din’t think it’s a real word, but I’m not sure.)
3. Silver stars on a black background.
4. A flame.
5. The Great Babbler Without Pause!
6. “The Green Ember burns, the seed of the new world smolders. Healing is on the horizon, but the fire comes first. Bear the flame.”
7. Mother Saramack.
May 16, 2019 at 4:11 am #36865LelaGuest
I’ll start the book writing thingy in ‘The Flabbit Room’.
May 16, 2019 at 1:09 pm #36886Gryffindor GirlGuest
Lela, I just wanted to say, if you like writing, I created a website specifically for young authors called dream.write.now. All of the members are super nice and supportive, and it’s a great place to share your stories with other people. Her is the link if you want to join.
May 17, 2019 at 1:09 am #36912LelaGuest
Thank you, I will have a look at it.
May 19, 2019 at 1:53 am #36991LelaGuest
I’ve signed up under Lela.
May 17, 2019 at 7:51 pm #36933LelaGuest
I just realised, when Heather started telling her story in the seventh district, She said (Meaning Smalls) “he was small amount his brother’s and sister’s, but his father early saw his strength-“.
We know that apart from Smalls and Emma he had two more brothers, but what happened to the sister, and is there anymore brothers?
May 17, 2019 at 8:55 pm #36935Ian G.Guest
Hmm. As far as I can remember, Winslow, Whit, and Emma are the only siblings we have heard about directly. It is implied, like you said, that King Jupiter had other children. My best guess is that the others (however many there may be) either 1) were killed in the afterterrors, 2) went into hiding (like Smalls and Emma), 3) sided with Winslow (like Whit in the beginning), or 4) joined the resistance, either inside or outside First Warren (like Smalls or Whit later on).
But we really don’t know how many there were or what happened to them. Any of the possibilities I listed above could have lead to death, so… yeah. We don’t know. Maybe we’ll learn about the rest later on, perhaps in the form of a family tree (which would be very interesting).
I have more thoughts at the moment (on a different topic), but they could get very long, so I’ll post them separately, probably soon.
May 18, 2019 at 1:10 am #36944LelaGuest
I wonder if they might help Heather and Smalls escape, or maybe help Picket find them.
I noticed that the solder Picket spoke to who he was bird food said he lived near Forbiden island, I wonder if that could mean something?
May 20, 2019 at 7:17 am #37019LelaGuest
1. What was the name of the Lord that welcomed Emma to Vandalia citadel?
2. What was the above mentioned Lords sons name?
3. What was the name of the whit wolf Sween served?
4. What did the fifth window in light hall depict?
5. What was the name of the nun who gave Jo’s money to the widows (TWaRoWM)
6. What was the name of Prester Kells wife?
7. What did Aunt Jone go into the presters vault for?
May 20, 2019 at 12:41 pm #37028Ian G.Guest
1. Lord Booker
3. Gern sounds right.
4. Random guess: the fall of King Good?
5. Sister Lalla (not sure on the spelling)
6. I don’t know, but seeing Kate’s answer “Kins” made me think “Prester Kins” and then “Hester Prynne”… strange.
7. An ingredient for her tonic… she was kind of vague about it, but I think she called it “the true blue” at one point.
May 20, 2019 at 9:17 am #37023Kate H.Guest
1. Lord Booker
4. Ooh. I don’t remember..
5. (This is from The Last Archer, not Wreck and Rise) Sister Lala or Sister Lulu, I can’t remember which.
7. I’m not sure. Does it even say?
May 21, 2019 at 7:06 am #37035LelaGuest
1. Lord Brooker
3. General Flow
4. The battle of red valley
6. Sage Kin’s
7. True blue.
May 21, 2019 at 7:07 am #37036LelaGuest
Ian G. won
May 21, 2019 at 7:47 pm #37044Kate H.Guest
I’m sorry guys, some of these questions are straight from the book.
1. [Fill in the blank] “And Picket was with the prince, _____ and ____.”
2. How many birds attacked Picket and Smalls in the abandoned mining camp?
3. What did Bleston consider himself? [Hint: The King of —–)
4. How many archers marched toward the caves that led toward the plateau on Cloud Mountain where the catapults were?
5. A wagon of barrels followed these archers. How many rabbits pulled it?
May 22, 2019 at 5:59 pm #37049Ian G.Guest
No problem! Now I can ask the questions I couldn’t remember the answers to.
1. I don’t remember that one at all, but Lela’s answer sounds good.
3. The King of Turns (as in, acts nice but then turns on you).
4. (I really hope this one was pulled from the books) 20 (???)
5. 4 (???)
May 22, 2019 at 3:18 am #37046LelaGuest
1. Heart and soul?
3. The King of turns
May 22, 2019 at 6:03 pm #37050Kate H.Guest
Here the answers (LOL Ian!):
1. Heart and soul.
3. The King of Turns (exactly, Ian!)
4. 30 (I did NOT pull this from the books!)
5. 12 (This is the one I pulled from the books)
May 23, 2019 at 7:37 am #37055LelaGuest
When S.D. Smith publishes the next book, how long will it take to be made into an ebook? Is it instant?
May 23, 2019 at 6:21 pm #37058Ian G.Guest
I think it’s as soon as the book is released. I actually read a lot of Ember Rising as an ebook because my actual book wouldn’t arrive until the next day (if I remember correctly).
May 23, 2019 at 7:29 pm #37059Kate H.Guest
Did y’all get S.D. Smith’s latest newsletter? The moment I read “brief update on Ember 4” (or something along those lines, don’t quote me!) I was clicking on that email ahead of all the others in my inbox. Boy, was I disappointed (not that S.D. Smith’s newsletters ever disappoint). “Brief update”? Understatement of the year! Anyway, this all just goes to show how much Kate H. longs for that book to come out!!!
May 23, 2019 at 7:54 pm #37060LelaGuest
I can’t wait for the next book either.
I don’t get the newsletter, but maybe I should sign up.
Is it worth it?
May 23, 2019 at 9:36 pm #37061Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Yeah that was the first thing I hit too! What an understatement! Why is he doing the green ember live thing and on vacation? He should be writing!
May 23, 2019 at 10:05 pm #37062Ian G.Guest
Yes I got it, and I know exactly how you feel. His “updates” aren’t always updates. But then there’s the occasional newsletter announcing the release of a surprise book. So it’s worth it, Lela.
May 24, 2019 at 3:05 am #37063LelaGuest
Thank you, I will.
May 24, 2019 at 8:09 am #37064Audrey AlexanderGuest
Ok, been a bit busy lately, so I haven’t been paying attention to this discussion page (yes, I know, simply terrible). I remembered, however, that there was a “prophecy” in Ember rising that I seemed to have forgotten about.
“She was in a dank dark cavern as so many times before. But this time she was talking to someone in the dim, slick bottom. She carried on a conversation, one that pleased her, but all the while a voice in her head said over and over, “unsettle the foundations! unsettle the foundations!” She awoke.”
So, now knowing that Smalls is in the cave with her, apparently “dead” than he obviously can’t be dead (or so many hope). Who else would she talk to in the cave? I mean, she could talk to herself, but she doesn’t have a history of doing that. Then also it isn’t likely she would carry on a pleasant conversation with a dragon so that rules that out. the only possibility I can think of is that Smalls is alive. then, from an authors perspective, I doubt that SD would have so many inconsistencies with the apparent “fact” that Smalls is dead unless he is alive. That would be just like giving a starving child a crumb, it’s only enough to waken the hunger more. then we get the false thought that Smalls is alive, and SD kills him. he would get a lot of angry fans for that. so while this dream tips the scales in the favor of him still alive, it’s weight that could easily fall off the moment the fourth book arrives.
then there’s the question of, what on earth does unsettle the foundations even mean?? in another dream, (I don’t remember where in the book), there is a voice that says something like: “we will arise and shake the world!”. This is most likely the dragons. In which case, arising and shaking the world tends to “unsettle foundations”, though it doesn’t quite make sense why Heather would be THINKING about it. UNLESS maybe it is a reminder to her that they’re not safe. think about it, she’s bleeding out, she’s talking, her mind is foggy, the pain is blocking out memories, she just wants it to stop. it’s survival mode. something deep inside her is reminding her that they will arise to shake the world, reminding her that they are far from safe. what do y’all think about all of it?
May 24, 2019 at 7:59 pm #37071LelaGuest
I think the 4 book will kind of follow this.
1. Smalls lives.
2. She finds the stone sword and book.
3. The dragons waken.
4. They fight the, (or maybe Heather convinces them to help them fight Morbin.)
5. They get out of the cave.
6. They win the war.
7. The stone sword brakes.
May 24, 2019 at 8:28 pm #37074Audrey AlexanderGuest
nice, Lela. I’m not exactly sure what I think will happen, but I’ve been thinking a lot about IF Smalls could survive a stab to the “middle”. ok, so the middle (if hit just right) avoids all the vital organs. so, throwing out the idea that something supernatural could be keeping him alive, he would mostly have to worry about the bleeding, pain, and infection. if it was a dull blade then there would be a bigger chance of infection.if it was a sharp blade then there is a bigger chance of bleeding to death, as it severs a clean wide cut of the blood vessels, a perfect blade sized hole with no jagged edges where the blood vessels were rather torn and mutilated rather than severed. If Smalls isn’t getting treatment for his wound, he has about max of twenty-four hours(forty-eight hours for people) until he dies, or gets too close to death to be saved. then, we also must think about his strength. If no one has been feeding him and he has no water, his strength will be low. his mouth will be so dry that forming words will hurt. humans can survive three days without water and three weeks without food. rabbits are a much different story. a rabbit can go for two days without water before they become too weak. after the second day, unless you force them to drink, they die. they can only go four days without food before dying. so his chances depend on if SD is using the human capacity to survive, or the rabbit capability. rabbits are very fragile animals. you can break their legs with two fingers (not that I’ve done that! don’t worry, it’s just an example of how fragile they are!). killing them without weapons is easy. a twist of the neck, a yank of the back legs (severing the nerves all the way to the brain, relatively painless, they die within seconds), blunt force trauma to the head (shovel to skull, most often used by farmers forty years ago, more uncommon now, as it ruins the meat). and don’t worry, I’m a humane aminal owner, no need to worry, yes I eat and kill rabbit, no I don’t let them suffer. If you think it’s weird or gross, then sorry, but it’s the circle of life. everything dies.
May 25, 2019 at 8:46 pm #37081Ian G.Guest
Based on the amount of injuries so many of the characters have already received and survived, I don’t think Sam is using the strength of regular rabbits for his characters. Not to mention the fact that they’re strong enough to wield swords, fire bows, and kill wolves. Also, it’s worth noting that Smalls has been “dead” for about a week.
Honestly I’m really glad I don’t have to deal with killing animals on any sort of regular basis…
May 25, 2019 at 10:07 pm #37092Audrey AlexanderGuest
That makes sense. It’s not for everyone, and killing them isn’t fun. However, the knowledge of it does give people an advantage if the government turns on us, and we end up having to start a rebellion called fang–wait, sorry, that’s a movie. 😉
as for the rabbits in the book, I think you may be right. the information that suggests he’s using human capability to survive could make it difficult to figure out if Smalls will live… I guess we will just have to endure and wait desperately for the next book. unless you don’t like smalls, then you can take your time and hope that he is dead. though I’ve only met a few people who don’t like smalls… I suppose it is a rarity…– who here doesn’t like smalls?
May 25, 2019 at 10:41 pm #37093Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Smalls is kinda boring but I still like him mainly because of how he confronted Picket about moping around in the first book.
May 25, 2019 at 10:50 pm #37095Audrey AlexanderGuest
That’s fair. I kind of think of Smalls as the kind of person that, on the inside would like nothing better than to break, to crack under the pressure, to give up. but because of what he’s been through, and the things he’s seen, he can’t. Everyone sees him and thinks that he can handle anything, that he isn’t struggling when he is. he has to keep moving for Natalia, and there is a great chance that Natalia will not survive. of course, that’s just my perception on him. he is kind of… empty in the books? like…cardboard? I like refer to characters that seemingly have zero personality as cardboard–don’t get me wrong!–smalls has a personality, just a cardboard-ish one. People’s own personal experiences and beliefs reflect on what characters they like, and for what reasons, so I could understand how some people wouldn’t like Smalls.
May 26, 2019 at 5:29 pm #37113Ian G.Guest
I see what you mean about Smalls. I like him though, and I think that one reason his character hasn’t been built on so much is that he’s been “dead” for over half of the series.
I really liked his scenes in The Last Archer, as they showed us more of his character. I agree that he would be one to keep positive appearances on the outside even if he’s at his breaking point inside. A backstory written from his perspective would be interesting, and would give us a better idea of what exactly he’s dealing with inside.
May 26, 2019 at 10:11 am #37100Kate H.Guest
I love Smalls!!! I cried so hard when he died! He’s so funny!
May 24, 2019 at 7:39 pm #37069Ian G.Guest
More questions! I think you’ll know which one I referenced the books for…
1. At the beginning of book 1, whose map of Natalia do we see a section of?
2. What is lesson number 1?
3. What part of Picket’s training with Helmer did Maggie Weaver “especially like”?
4. During King Jupiter’s reign, how many wars were fought over how many years?
5. (Black Star) When Walters is reporting the Grimbles’ sketchy environmental practices (er, their endangerment of the community), he mixes up two words, and Whitson corrects him. What two words are they?
6. What old military comrade does Helmer first meet when entering Harbone Citidel?
7. What is the name of the buck whose only good foot Aunt Jone “accidentally and egregiously” pegs?
8. (Black Star) How many times does Jimmi move his pipe during his conversation with Fleck?
(If anyone gets the last one right, I’ll give you the benefit of a doubt and assume you got lucky and didn’t actually know it 😉)
May 24, 2019 at 9:14 pm #37075Audrey AlexanderGuest
1 forsythe Longtreader’s
2 everything is a weapon
3 Helmer kicking dirt into Pick’s eyes
6 lieutenant Meeker
8 I think 4?? I’ve only read Blackstar once… ugh, this is going to bother me, lol.
May 26, 2019 at 5:38 pm #37114Ian G.Guest
1. Forsythe Longtreader (I really want to know who that is)
2. “Everything is a weapon.”
3. The part where Helmer kicked dust in Picket’s eyes.
4. 9 wars, 20 years (that’s a lot of war).
5. Walters says “in contrast,” when he meant “in contradiction.”
6. Lieutenant Meeker
8. 13 times, as best as I could figure.
I think Audrey wins.
May 24, 2019 at 7:57 pm #37070LelaGuest
2.Everything is a lesson
3.Helmer kicking dirt in Pickets eyes.
Good questions, As you can see I only know 2 questions, (I probably shouldn’t of posted it.)
May 24, 2019 at 8:15 pm #37072Kate H.Guest
1. No clue.
2. Everything is a weapon.
3. The part where he kicked dirt in Picket’s eyes.
4. Ummm… a lot?
5. Eh. It’s on the tip of my tongue. Something about how he’d already brought it up or something… Ooo, it’s driving me crazy!
6. (Formerly) Lieutenant Meeker (or Meeker the Squeaker).
7. Jason? Something with a J? Or a B? I’m floundering!! I can hear the scene in my head, but the moment Heather is like “I’ll help you –” or something like that, it just cuts off!
8. Five or six. I’m trying to replay the conversation in my mind but…
May 25, 2019 at 8:41 pm #37080Ian G.Guest
I kind of want to wait to give the answers until Artham responds… I’m kind of surprised number 5 has stumped everyone so far. I guess I happened to remember that scene well.
I referenced the books for number 4 and number 8 (which was kind of tricky to figure out, but fun).
May 25, 2019 at 9:09 pm #37082Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Sorry I’ve been busy lately. I saw the other people’s answers and I knew only the lesson 1 one and the dirt in Picket’s eyes. I know there was something with Grimble burning papers but I don’t remember the words that were mixed up. I’ll try to come up with some but I don’t know as many Green Ember facts as you people.
May 26, 2019 at 12:26 pm #37106Audrey AlexanderGuest
That’s completely fine, Artham! I’m sure you remember it well enough to come up with a few questions:) and you can reference the book on a few when you’re making a questions list (suddenly forgot what it’s called…)
You know enough about the green Ember to be regularly active in this discussion page, so yes!
May 25, 2019 at 9:10 pm #37083KalebGuest
Hey guys, if Galt did find terrailand, then he is related to smalls and Emma
May 25, 2019 at 9:14 pm #37084KalebGuest
If they used via time travel like with Spider-Man to bring back all the good guys, then they would kill morbin for sure. The only problem would be who would be ruler. That would start a hole different war.
May 25, 2019 at 9:23 pm #37085Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Wow when it said (spoilers) I didn’t know it meant infinity war spoilers! Who knew!
May 25, 2019 at 9:40 pm #37088KalebGuest
Back to book number one. Why did their father tell them the story of King Jupiter before the attack? Why did Lady glen come? Why were they attacked? Why was Smalls and Wilfred there? Where has pacer been throughout these books? Is he on mornin’s side? Why have they gave points of views of Sween but not their parents? If Sween did escape, would she tell Mrs. Weaver about Mr. Weaver? Why had the wolves waited to attack years after Jupiter died? Did lord ramnor know something nobody else know? All might be awnsered in book four!
May 25, 2019 at 10:41 pm #37094Audrey AlexanderGuest
Ooo! great idea, Kaleb! okay, let’s see here… Heather mentioned that Lady Glen’s visits had started to happen more often, and that also seems to correlate with Wilfred and Smalls coming (which at this point Smalls knows that she’s his mother!) and yes, it may also have something to do with Whats-his-face telling Heather and Pick the story of King Jupiter. ah Whittle, is that how you spell it?? anywho, maybe because Morbin’s forces are getting stronger, he needed time to conduct his ultimate plan. which could include making BOTH heirs suffer, if this has to do with revenge, or sheer ‘i’m going to rub this in your face, Jupiter!’. In Wilfred’s story about Jupiter dying, he says that Morbin seemed eager to humble the king, but his anger took over and he killed him. this seems to suggest a long time grudge and revenge situation. perhaps…jealousy, even? this would make Lady Glen’s visits more frequent, perhaps they were making plans as to how to fight back? but even so, shouldn’t Wilfred and the heir have been included in these meetings if that is so? Wilfred claimed he was coming for a visit, however, it seems that Heather and Picket don’t remember him, so why choose to visit now? coincidence? Some claim there is no such thing. Showing from Sween’s perspective is probably to give you a taste of what’s going on in Morbin’s lair, and prolong the book, and also to give you a sense of Sween’s personality. I’m not sure about Pacer, or Mr. and Mrs. Weaver.
May 26, 2019 at 10:21 am #37103Kate H.Guest
1. Their father told them because he figured it was time they knew what was happening in the world around them.
2. Lady Glenn was telling them what was going on in the outside world and that the wolves might be approaching.
3. I think Smalls and Wilfred were passing through on their way to Cloud Mountain.
4. Pacer committed treason in Ember Falls. He’s on the Terralain’s side.
5. What do you mean? Sween is their mother.
6. Definitely, but all of the elderly rabbits like Mrs. Weaver have been evacuated, so I don’t know where she is.
7. They didn’t know where they were. Nic Hollow was a safe, secluded spot outside of the Great Wood. The wolves couldn’t find them.
8. No. He was just telling Heather that Perkinson was a traitor.
May 26, 2019 at 5:55 pm #37117Ian G.Guest
Welcome to the forum, Kaleb!
May 25, 2019 at 9:42 pm #37089KalebGuest
I have not saw endgame. My friends told me about it. And I looked on Google.
May 25, 2019 at 9:46 pm #37091KalebGuest
May 26, 2019 at 7:01 am #37099LelaGuest
Here’s some questions, (has the other one finished?)
1. What is the name of the doctor in Alkon.
2. Who was captain Hewson courting after Helmer and Airen threw pumpkins on the solders (Or was it sailors?)
3. What was the name of the lead rabbit who tried to get into first Warren be wearing uniforms and sailing up the river?
4. What was the name of the head librarian at Harbon?
5. How many Fowler’s do we know of?
6. What was the Fowler’s patch?
May 26, 2019 at 12:46 pm #37107Audrey AlexanderGuest
1. Doctor Hendow
2. Ahh! I don’t remember!!!!!
3. Emory Danny. (I remember because his son ended up being the messenger, and so he didn’t explode when everyone else did. So sad. He just wanted to die a hero, but instead, he was forced to be the survivor. The one who ran. or at least, that’s how he’ll see it.)
5. 6, if you count Perk, Heyward, and the medic (Heather).
6. A rabbit in mid-air, sword drawn, with large wings behind him that were in such a way that it resembled in a cape.
May 26, 2019 at 12:47 pm #37108Audrey AlexanderGuest
great. Autocorrect. I meant Emory Dann, not Danny. now, if my laptop will be so kind as to not change it this time…
May 26, 2019 at 5:44 pm #37115Ian G.Guest
1. Doctor Hendow.
2. His future wife (whose name I don’t know).
3. Something Emery (or Emery Something)
4. There was a head librarian???
5. Um… 7 come to mind: Helmer (if he counts), Picket, Perkinson (Dec’d), Heyward (demoted), Jo, Cole, Mitchel (I think?).
6. A rabbit flying with a cape-wing-thing and holding a sword.
May 27, 2019 at 6:10 am #37125LelaGuest
1. Doctor Hendow.
3. Emery Dann
4. Mistress Gilfersnoddon.
5. I’m not quite sure.
6. A flying rabbit. (At least that’s what Picket says, it didn’t go into detail, but It sounds right that it was wings.)
May 26, 2019 at 10:25 am #37104Kate H.Guest
1. Oh my goodness, I should know this! Does it start with an M? OH, I KNOW THIS, I KNOW THIS, I KNOW THIS! (Yet, I don’t know this! 🙁 ).
2. It was the sailors. Lynn, who later became his wife.
3. Emmery Dan, Emmerson’s father.
4. Okay, Kate, think! You knew someone with that name, it starts with an S, and it sounds weird. I want to say Sourdough, but I know that’s not it…Ooooooh…
5. Jo Shanks, Picket Longtreader, and Coleden Blackstar. (Perkinson turned traitor and died and Heyward was fired/dismissed).
6. A rabbit with a sword, with wings.
May 27, 2019 at 6:14 am #37127LelaGuest
May 26, 2019 at 10:26 am #37105Kate H.Guest
Oh, wait! Is the doctor’s name Morrison? Dr. Morrison?
May 26, 2019 at 1:15 pm #37109ArthamGuest
Ok I finally thought of some:
1. Where in the books is there a reference to a Slugs and Bugs song? (At least I assume it is reference)
2. Who was named after S. D. Smith’s friend Eddy?
3. How many imaginary animals were harmed in the making of Ember Falls?
4. What non US country did S. D. Smith live for a few years when he was younger?
5. Who was Whitson’s Predecessor?
6 Who is my Profile picture of? (not related to Green Ember in any way but most of these have six questions and I ran out of ideas and since it has been on the chat a lot it is related to the chat just not Green Ember)
May 26, 2019 at 1:33 pm #37110Kate H.Guest
1. No clue what that is, so…
2. Edward Weaver? I don’t know!
4. South Africa.
5. His father’s name was Whit… but I don’t think that is it… Maybe it is… I know this, I know this, I know this, but I don’t!!!!!! I need to re-read the Tales of Old Natalia books. Its been at least two months, if not more! I feel like it could also be Gerard, but I kind of doubt it.
6. A stormtrooper? I think it’s star wars… I don’t know. I’ve only seen one movie and it wasn’t that great.
May 26, 2019 at 2:33 pm #37112Audrey AlexanderGuest
these are…wow. you’ve stumped me Artham!
1. not a clue!
2. I didn’t even know that there was someone named after SD’s friend, that’s really interesting! 😀
4. South Africa, I think.
5. oooo. That’s a hard one. ugh. I can’t remember.
6. Star wars bounty hunter, right? I’ve seen the movies so many times, just not in the last couple years…oh this going to bother me. I need another star wars and Lord of the Rings marathon!!
May 26, 2019 at 5:54 pm #37116Ian G.Guest
1. It would make sense for one to be there, but I can’t think of one.
2. Eafaw Potter (named after Eddy Eafaw, who makes excellent mugs)
4. South Africa
5. King Gerard
6. Um, I don’t know Clone Wars very well… Captain Rex?
An interesting note on that last one; when my computer is loading these discussion forum pages, at the top left corner it will show the avatar of people who have recently posted, sometimes switching them in quick succession. Anyways, since your avatar is apparently transparent except for the clone trooper, sometimes he will show up layered over another person’s avatar. He looks really epic with Jo’s cape and lighting in the background!
May 26, 2019 at 9:03 pm #37120Kate H.Guest
May 27, 2019 at 5:35 pm #37139ArthamGuest
1: In the copyright of TWAROWM. I think that is a reference to the slugs and bugs about Bears or something.
2. Efaw Potter
4 South Africa
5. King Gerard
Ian wins because he got 2-5 right.
Six wouldn’t really count anyway although Ian got the closest. My profile picture is of Fives who is a clone trooper led by Rex. (Audrey I think you are thinking of Boba Fett. His armor and the clone armor are both based off the mandalorian armor)
May 27, 2019 at 5:39 pm #37141Kate H.Guest
Wow, I actually got #5 right! I’m really proud of myself right now!
May 27, 2019 at 8:03 pm #37147Ian G.Guest
I haven’t really heard much Slugs & Bugs, but I just listened to “Bears,” and YES the poem in the copyright for TWaRoWM is definitely a reference to that song.
It’s such a strange song, but the instrumentation is really pretty, and very catchy. Written by AP, too.
About that, I think the first exposure I ever had to Andrew’s music was “The Biscuit of Zazzamarandabo,” though it would be about 4 years until I actually knew who he was or how great his song and story writing is. The next song of his I heard was “Be Kind to Yourself,” probably 2-3 years later. Then in 2017 I sat in on one of his talks at a Great Homeschool Convention, and thought, “Wow. This guy seems neat. I should listen to his music, and read his books!” Then I did, and was amazed at who I had just met without being the least bit starstruck.
(Well, that got really off-topic.)
May 26, 2019 at 9:46 pm #37121KalebGuest
My place beside you, my blood for yours, till the green ember,or the end of the world.
May 26, 2019 at 10:33 pm #37122Kate H.Guest
My place beside you, Kaleb, my blood for yours, ’till the Green Ember rises or the end of the world.
Man, that oath makes my heart burn. The only real way to some up my feelings for Green Ember is through this quote (I memorized, so it might not be word for word):
“I know it’s true,” said the Teller, “for when I read these words, my heart is on fire!”
I have that quote on my wall, as well as a few others. I look at it and just sob because these words are so beautiful. These books changed my life, and for that, I am eternally grateful.
Okay, my rant is over for the day. Apologies in advance for the next one!
May 26, 2019 at 10:37 pm #37123Kate H.Guest
1. The night Heather dreamed about King Jupiter, Picket dreamed about what?
2. [Fill in the blank] Winslow is a ______ ________ for Morbin.
3. What colour was Heather’s hair ribbon (for the star)?
4. Which mound had the cave in it?
5. What was the name of the man who had a dock below Cloud Mountain?
May 27, 2019 at 2:03 pm #37134Ian G.Guest
1. He dreamed he was riding on a blind cardinal who kept crashing into things.
2. Puppet King (though he could really be a lot of different combinations of two words)
3. Bright red, though there might be a more specific term used, like crimson or something.
4. Third Mound
5. Tommy Decker (Dec’d)
May 27, 2019 at 6:12 am #37126LelaGuest
1. Flying on a cardinal?
2. Puppet king?
4. 7 or 5?
5. Something Docker? (That was what came into my head anyway)
May 27, 2019 at 10:07 am #37129KalebGuest
May 27, 2019 at 6:18 am #37128LelaGuest
Do you think Tamoth Seer is a dragon?
In one of Heathers dreams tamoth seer spoke.
And he can read minds.
I don’t know, it does seem weird.
May 27, 2019 at 11:25 am #37130KalebGuest
It could be possible because in book two, Bleston did come to the place that might have dragon seeds. Did he and Bleston just come to awaken them and their plan got uncovered by accident.
May 27, 2019 at 2:27 pm #37135Ian G.Guest
That’s an interesting question. He might be in league with the dragons (he’s creepy enough), but I doubt he is one of them, unless they have strange powers of transmogrification that we don’t yet know about, since he looks very much like a rabbit.
How he reads minds I don’t know, but the title “seer” would imply those kinds of abilities.
I don’t recall Bleston having gone to Forbidden Island (which is where I think the Dragon Seeds are)… but I might be wrong.
May 27, 2019 at 5:20 pm #37136Kate H.Guest
Yeah, I don’t think he’s a dragon. I think he’s a treacherous, insane old seer with the ability to see the future and poison his deceased Prince’s son. I DO NOT like him one bit (that was a dumb remark, no one likes him!).
When did Bleston go to Forbidden Island? I’ve read Ember Falls nearly ten times now and I don’t ever recall him going there (or talking about going there).
May 27, 2019 at 5:23 pm #37137Kate H.Guest
1. Picket dreamt that he was on a blind cardinal who kept running into things.
2. I was going for “puppet governor” since that is the technical term.
3. I was going for scarlet, but red will suffice.
4. The third mound.
5. Tommy Decker.
I’m going to have to say that Ian wins (again).
May 27, 2019 at 5:32 pm #37138Kate H.Guest
1. What is the full name of the white (scarred) rabbit in the Citadel of Dreams?
2. What was the Teller eating in the corner of the cave when Rand sang the song?
3. What were the names of three rabbits that went with Stretch to find Heather after she fell into L.D.?
4. What was the name of the Tunneler’s likely heir (not Whittle Longtreader)?
5. Who was it that called Stitcher by his real name in front of Heather?
May 27, 2019 at 5:39 pm #37140ArthamGuest
1. Wasn’t it Whitmer or something like that? his last name would be Joveson right?
2. Wasn’t he eating soup?
3. ugh I know at least one of them but I can’t remember!
4. Did it tell us? I don’t remember it telling us
5. Wasn’t it Whittle? or was it someone else like Sween?
I don’t really know these
May 27, 2019 at 5:44 pm #37143Kate H.Guest
I’m sorry to tell you this, Artham, but you’ve gotten every single one wrong so far, except for the first one, which you half right. I admire you for trying though! And yes, it does mention the answer to #4. I remember it because we were reading that part while parked in a dark alley in Tel Aviv, Israel while my dad was looking for our apartment. I tend to associate things I hear with where I heard them.
May 27, 2019 at 6:37 pm #37146ArthamGuest
yeah well that’s to be expected. I was just happy to get my answers out there before I saw the others. Was the fifth one the Commandant or maybe doctor Hendow or Stretch? I kept thinking Whittle or Whitley for number 1 but I knew those weren’t right.
May 27, 2019 at 5:47 pm #37144Ian G.Guest
1. Whitbie Joveson
3. Wisp, Gripple, and Dote. (Or was Stretch one of them?)
4. I don’t remember.
5. The Commandant, maybe?
May 27, 2019 at 5:49 pm #37145Kate H.Guest
Lots of people miss the answer to #4 because the chapters around it are so rushed! I only caught it on my third or fourth read.
May 27, 2019 at 8:26 pm #37148KalebGuest
Have any of you read TBSoK.If so comment your favorite part!
May 27, 2019 at 10:18 pm #37149Kate H.Guest
I’ve read it six or seven times, so yeah, I guess I have read it! Um, I like when Fleck goes back to the fight after washing up on shore with Gault and blows up the ships. His conversation with Jimmy Docker is pretty funny.
May 28, 2019 at 7:19 am #37154LelaGuest
Jimmy Docker is probably the funniest rabbit in all the books, (at least in my opinion.)
I just thought, how do the people in the 7th district get there food?
Is it mentioned? (I don’t think it is, I’m just checking.)
May 28, 2019 at 1:05 pm #37156Audrey AlexanderGuest
wow… I have missed a lot. first, let me say that I must be a terrible star wars fan, lol. second, I agree that a book on Small’s perspective is well in order. normal people probably would seem cardboard-ish anyways, so I guess that just makes Smalls normal—good normal, not like bad normal. I guess anything normal is just your own weird. And I doubt Seer is a dragon, and I’m still trying to decide what the higher power in Natalia is. Think about it, prophetic dreams, dragons, rabbits that can supossidly read minds, it’s got my own mind spinning. You don’t hear them talk about praying or a higher power. Another thought that crossed my mind is that this is a children’s book, technically, and SD is a Christian. So maybe he will leave the whole higher power thing alone so as to not confuse people. I mean, that would probably be what I would do, anyway. It makes me nervous to think that any fantasy I write could be turned against me by crazy fans trying to make it real. Makes me nervous just thinking about it! lol. Back to the subject of Seer, they say the eyes are like windows to one’s soul. Seer stared into Picket’s eyes when he said all that crazy stuff, like, “I see you flying,” blah, blah. The fact that Picket saved Smalls by “flying” is widely known by most rabbits, so no mystery there. I suspect that Seer uses things like that, and twists what is a common fact in a way that rabbits believe it to be something new and amazing. In other words, he’s a con artist. Someone who lures you in with riddles and rhymes, things that make you wonder, “how do you know so much about me?” Then he strikes. He wraps rabbits like Kyle around his finger, then uses them to get what he wants. He doesn’t want the throne from Kyle, he wants the power. Not the cheers, and the fear of the people, but sheer power in shadows. If you ask me, this character is more dangerous than Morbin himself.
May 28, 2019 at 1:18 pm #37157Kate H.Guest
I disagree. (Finally, another debate!!)
I don’t think Tameth Seer is a con artist. There is obviously some kind of true power allowing these Seers to operate. Heather’s dreams come from somewhere. Fay’s dreams came from somewhere! There is a higher power, but it’s hidden from us (probably because S.D. Smith doesn’t want to make the books outright religious, even in an allegoric sense). Maybe it’s the Leapers for them? They pray/worship the leapers, right?
Tameth Seer has real gifts, he’s just using them and taking them way too far. He is certainly dangerous but in a different sense. Morbin is powerful because of his forces and domination of Natalia. Tameth Seer is powerful in a spiritual and influential sense, meaning he could tip the balance for the Terralains. Hopefully, Kylen heeded Emma’s warning and tried to regain control.
May 28, 2019 at 1:52 pm #37158Audrey AlexanderGuest
I would rather believe that he is a grand liar and manipulative than believe he posses a real “gift”. It seems…impossible to fight. think of it, if Seer has this gift, then Natalia is harrowed with such rabbits, it’d have to be. in which case fire no longer burns. if you live in fire, then a ball of fire thrown at you makes no difference. you do not scream, or cry out. you do not jump out of your skin, for such a thing is your every day. so, if Tameth Seer truly has a “gift” then any number of our characters could have any “gift”. Helmer may not be a normal rabbit. maybe Picket isn’t a good soldier, maybe he actually has a “gift” that does all the work for him. so then the world that once seemed so magnificent and fairy-tale like is now charred and empty without meaning. it is no longer a story with a moral that teaches it’s readers to keep at it, but rather says if only you had a gift, you could be as great. in other words, I would much prefer the story with real antagonist like characters rather than myths. something that can actually strike fear into you, because it IS real, because to be as actually dangerous as Seer without a special gift is frightening, not because you’re afraid that he’s going to read your mind or something.
May 28, 2019 at 2:07 pm #37159Kate H.Guest
First of all, by ‘gift’ I meant the ability to see the future, not talent in general. We only know of two rabbits who can do that. Heather, with her dreams. Those cannot be disputed. And Tameth, with his… I don’t know he just sees things!
It can be fought. Perhaps Heather was given the ability to dream of the future and write so beautifully to counter Tameth’s evil! The only real upside to having prophetic abilities is the influence you can have on others. Heather is an influence among the resistance because of her wisdom and passion. Tameth is an influencer because he inflicts fear into his followers. I’m sure he lies a lot, but I do think there is an element of truth to his powers. Something evil, beyond Morbin, is at work through him. If we knew what the spiritual aspects in this world are, it would make things much clearer.
I do not think the villains in this story should be feared. Evil should not be feared because we have something greater than it; hope in our King. The only reason evil should be depicted so harshly is because it is a reality. We should be able to identify with it, acknowledge it, and fight it.
The Green Ember burns; the seed of the new world smoulders. Healing is on the horizon, but the fire comes first. Bear the flame.
May 28, 2019 at 7:09 pm #37185Ian G.Guest
Just more thoughts about Smalls and cardboard:
In addition to his personality, another reason Smalls could seem “cardboard” may be because he is a static character, i.e. he doesn’t change noticeably, unlike Heather and Pick. This relates to the fact that by Book 1, Smalls already knows his place and identity, while the main protagonists are just beginning to discover theirs.
Static characters aren’t necessarily bad characters, but they generally don’t make for good main characters.
So a story from Smalls’ perspective would probably be best at some critical turning point in his past between Jupiter’s fall and Green Ember, although it could also span a lot of that time. In any case, it would show how his character became the way it was when we first met him.
I normally don’t like it when writers overuse a story or world, but Natalia has so many great characters and potential backstories, that I think Sam has a good setup for a lot more books without being cliche. Granted, it’s worst when the main series of a world becomes overdone, which will not happen with GE, as the end is in sight.
I love good books.
May 28, 2019 at 7:13 pm #37187Audrey AlexanderGuest
Good point! I actually hadn’t given that much thought, but you’re right. I think Smalls is a good character. And I also love good books!! …but who doesn’t? (especially books written by SD Smith!)
May 28, 2019 at 8:10 pm #37197Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
I think that Smalls is static and flat because his only development is in the first book. I am hoping that he becomes more developed in the last one.
May 28, 2019 at 2:25 pm #37160Audrey AlexanderGuest
if I free-climb to the top of a cliff it is very impressive. if later you figure out that I was actually using equipment to get to the top…not so impressive. almost anyone can use the equipment and get to the top of a cliff. free-climbing has bigger risks, and it’s wayyy harder. so, if the characters in the green ember are actually using their special gifts (the equipment) to get to the top rather then actually doing something amazing and genuine (free-climbing) then it’s just not as amazing. not as interesting. it’s more like a Once Upon a Time, or Harry Potter then a story that I can stand by proudly, knowing that they DID this on sheer will power. the appeal to the green ember is believing the impossible for me. believing that you can rise from ashes like a Phoenix without needing wings. because real people want to believe that, but reality shoves them down, and tells them that it is impossible. “maybe if this were a fairy tale.” I don’t want a fairy tale, and I don’t want another story that only twists is one that every other story has. the most common plot twist. the twist of supernatural power. it’s like stories about aliens. I want to believe that here, now, the way we are, we can become something amazing. if people can’t have hope… then what do they have left? without hope is darkness. and in darkness lies a death trap.
Kate, evil should not be feared. But it is feared. Tameth Seer looked into Picket’s eyes, and Picket felt fear. Because fear is natural. You cannot stop it. You can only fight it. Hope to fight it. You have to battle it, and the only way to do that is to face it. You can turn it off, but it’s still there, whispering in your ear. Fear is part of life, and life is fighting for what you believe in. Fight fear. Do not let it become your master, do not let it force you into the shadows. It is always there, and it is always a challenge. Because the darkness is always coming like tomorrows storm. And hope is always on the skyline when morning comes.
healing IS on the horizon. to bear the flame is to hope. a fire comes first…
May 28, 2019 at 5:54 pm #37169Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
I think Tameth being a dragon is a posssiblity but I don’t want him to have magic. There has been no supernatural in the Green Ember (Except maybe Heather’s dream about the dragons) and I don’t think magic will fit in the Green Ember world when there is already so many books and the first series is almost over. The war should be one with wits, skill, and sacrifice. Not magical nonense with no time for an explination.
May 28, 2019 at 5:55 pm #37170Audrey AlexanderGuest
Yes! Thank you, Artham.
May 28, 2019 at 6:29 pm #37176Kate H.Guest
Okay, things like sword fighting and mountain climbing require skill and practice, no doubt! There is no such thing as gifts there. What I mean by gifts is spiritual gifts. You cannot practice or learn how to have prophetic dreams or see the future. It just happens. I’m not saying it’s magic, Artham, but you have to admit that it comes from somewhere!
Audrey, I may be a little scared when I come face to face with evil, but that doesn’t mean I fear. Evil has lost eternally through the power of my Lord and Saviour, why should I be afraid?? The only thing left to do is prepare a way for my King, whether evil tries to stop me or not! I have power over him, so I walk life without fear. With my King on my side, I’m unstoppable!
For the rabbits, it’s a little different, but we’re talking about the reader’s feelings.
May 28, 2019 at 6:43 pm #37181Ian G.Guest
So, in a way I agree with some of what both of you said. I do believe there are higher forces afoot in Natalia, as is alluded to with Flint, Fay, The Leapers, Heather’s dreams, Smalls being apparently and unrealistically alive, etc. However, I don’t think the resolution of the series will be any sort of “magic battle.” I suppose Tameth probably has some sort of unusual ability, but I bet he lies a lot as well, so it’s hard to tell what’s what.
About “gifts”… (wow, I was just about to make a Wingfeather reference to make a point, but then… oh well.) Anyways, I think that a gift in this sense is something perhaps not normal, but not automatically perfect. Here’s a comparison: Just because Joseph had the God-given gift of being able to intemperate dreams, it did not make him automatically overcome all of the adversity he faced. God gave him a gift, and Joseph followed God’s will to a position where he could do great things, like save nations from a huge famine. Had Joseph given up on God’s plan for him, well, things wouldn’t have gone so well, I would think.
So, while Tameth may have a powerful gift, I think he has also perfected it (twisted it, rather,) with mental manipulation. That said, I don’t think his having a gift makes him undefeatable. Just because Sauron had all of those creepy powers (like getting into the mind of the Ring’s wearer) didn’t stop Frodo, Sam, and all of the others from destroying his power in an epic way.
Also, as Christians we don’t overcome by our own power, and we are not helpless against Enemy’s power.
Hopefully that all made some sort of sense. If it didn’t, then that’s just me being too tired or lazy to write coherently at times.
May 28, 2019 at 6:45 pm #37182Kate H.Guest
Very well put, Ian! My point/s exactly! I completely agree!
May 28, 2019 at 6:59 pm #37184Audrey AlexanderGuest
that’s a fair point, Ian. I think you found a way to combine mine and Kate’s ideas on the story! I don’t mind the prophetic dreams, but I don’t want unicorns to all the sudden pop up and then next thing you know the rabbits have some sort of time traveling power–or whatever. just, no thanks. so I think you put it the right way and good example. and by the way, Kate, I never said that WE as Christians need to fear, only that fear is in us, it is part of being human. having the strength in God to combat fear is good. and when I said I want an antagonist that can actually strike fear into you, I basically meant that I didn’t want some boring rabbit that just as some power to see the future or whatever. Not that I MYSELF am going to be afraid, it’s the characters in the story that will be most afraid, because to them it is real. so no, I’m not saying that we can’t trust God, yes I’m saying that fear is natural, no I’m not saying that I am afraid. I have been afraid before in my life, and I’m sure that I will again at some point.
May 28, 2019 at 7:15 pm #37188Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
It’s a little more philosophical than I am used to but I pretty much agree with everything you said. I don’t like writers randomly adding magic to the world and prophetic dreams are magic (by magic I mean supernatural). I also don’t think that prophetic dreams should enable Heather to change the future because that would just be dumb.
May 28, 2019 at 7:23 pm #37189Audrey AlexanderGuest
Yeah, I would have a hard time liking the books if they made it to where Heather could change the future with her dreams.
May 28, 2019 at 8:15 pm #37199Kate H.Guest
Oh my goodness, no! I do not want this to become a magical story!
May 29, 2019 at 8:16 am #37213LelaGuest
Being brave is not, not feeling fear, but not letting fear conquer you.
(I think that’s a quote from somewhere.)
May 28, 2019 at 4:36 pm #37161Audrey AlexanderGuest
Who is a better antagonist: Bleston, Tameth Seer, Kylen, Morbin, Captain Vitton, or Garten Longtreader? plead your case.
<“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”
May 28, 2019 at 6:37 pm #37178Kate H.Guest
Kylen: I still believe in him. He doesn’t have to be the bad guy!
Garten Longtreader: The antagonist is especially painful because he’s a rabbit. He betrayed his kind by going to Morbin’s side! And he also stabbed Heather, set up Smalls’ betrayal, and King Jupiter’s death. He also ruined the Longtreader name.
Bleston: He was dangerous because what he said made sense. He was a strong voice and presence among the rabbits, leading them slowly astray.
Tameth Seer: He’s just insane.
Morbin: Big Baddie. He eats rabbits, has taken over Natalia, etc. But I think Garten is worse because, without Garten, Morbin could never have taken over.
Captain Vitton: This guy is so bad, he doesn’t even count as a villain! I’m not even sure that guy had a soul in that perfect, uniformed, body of his!
BTW, you forgot about Daggler.
I have come to the conclusion that Garten is the worst. Please challenge me!
May 28, 2019 at 7:27 pm #37192Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Daggler and Vitton are in my opinion the evilest of all of them. Morbin has no personality. Kylen isnt evil. Tameth is insane. Garten is a idiotic coward who betrayed his kind but he unlike Vitton and Daggler, Garten doesn’t enjoy hurting people.
May 28, 2019 at 8:21 pm #37200Kate H.Guest
I disagree (and feel a debate coming on!). Vitton and Daggler are soulless characters, they couldn’t be anything but evil! Garten was once good, but he betrayed everyone. If hadn’t have done that, Morbin wouldn’t be ruling and psychos (I think that’s how you spell it?? I hate that word!!) like Dagger and Vitton wouldn’t exist or be so twisted. Stabbing your own flesh and blood, imprisoning your own kind, and bringing about the death of your dear friend (King Jupiter), is the work of a true villain.
May 28, 2019 at 9:03 pm #37201Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
So your saying that Garten is more evil than Dagger and Vitton?
May 28, 2019 at 9:06 pm #37202Kate H.Guest
Eh, it’s really hard to decide. They all have commited unspeakable acts of treachery, but it was Garten’s acts that caused all of Daggler and Vitton’s acts to happen, so, in a way, he is responsible for the killing of Layra and all the others. So, yes, that is what I’m saying.
May 28, 2019 at 9:23 pm #37203Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
So you are blaming all of Vitton and Daggler’s crimes on Garten because Garten’s evil enabled Daggler and Vitton to do evil more effectively? I get the feeling that Daggler and Vitton would have done evil either way.
I see one main difference between Daggler (I’m just going to just say Daggler from now on) and Garten: Garten hesitates in his crimes and he doesn’t enjoy hurting others.
May 28, 2019 at 9:53 pm #37204Kate H.Guest
I wonder, what were Daggler and Vitton like before Morbin? Or were they always at his side?
Anyway, if Garten hadn’t let the world fall to Morbin, Daggler and Vitton wouldn’t have had the chance to hurt anyone. I don’t like to say that I blame Garten for what they did, because that gives them an excuse, but he certainly let fall the blow that ended in their treachery.
Also, Garten doesn’t hesitate, he moves forward, albeit grimly. There is no turning him back. And, while he doesn’t enjoy hurting others (in fact, he’s under the illusion that he’s doing what is best for everyone, even though he knows that hundreds will die and rabbits will live in terrible slavery), he doesn’t care. He just moves on without blinking.
May 28, 2019 at 10:03 pm #37205Audrey AlexanderGuest
you’ve said this before about Emma. “he just moves forward without blinking.” the thing is, you think that if he did feel bad about what he did he would stop and sob or something. it’s not like that with a lot of people, just like Emma. making assumptions about Garten is a risky thing at this point because we only know what we’ve seen, and it isn’t much. in my opinion, Vitton and Daggler are much worse than Garten. Garten Longtreader spared Sween when she sang. he pretended not to know who sang. do you think Vitton and Daggler would have spared her?–or anyone for that matter. Vitton and Daggler ENJOY their evil. Garten at least doesn’t enjoy it, he just believes it has to be done. so Daggler and Vitton are psychopaths and Garten is just a bad guy.
May 28, 2019 at 10:11 pm #37206Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Whoops! When I said hesitating I was thinking of uncle Randolph from Magnus Chase (It’s easy to get betraying, conniving uncles mixed up) so just forget that part.
Daggler was evil to begin with: “I thought you couldn’t get any lower than being discharged for torturing a fresh recruit”(Ember Rising pg. 308) Just thought I’d clear that up. Don’t know about Vitton.
So I still stand by my point that even though Garten has done more evil, Daggler is more heartless and evil because although both do terrible things, Daggler actually enjoys doing them while Garten in his own twisted way thinks he is helping rabbitkind
May 28, 2019 at 10:13 pm #37207Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Exactly what I think Audrey!
May 29, 2019 at 8:19 am #37214LelaGuest
I partly disagree with you, everyone knows what is good and not good, so I don’t think you can say that they are just evil.
Until they die, they are able to be forgiven.
Didn’t Emma forgive many rabbits who hurt people?
(Is that what you meant?)
May 29, 2019 at 8:27 am #37217Audrey AlexanderGuest
Lela, when I drew the correlation between what Kate said about Emma and what she said about Garten, I was saying that she said that they both just move forward without blinking an eye. with Emma (as I previously mentioned) she just isn’t going to stop being a queen so she can grieve and sob and freak out, she’s going to pull herself together, and do what she needs to for her kingdom. with Garten, we have no idea what he is thinking, but his actions and words suggest that he doesn’t enjoy evil. and there is a difference between a bad person and an evil person. One example my grandpa used to use to explain it is that a bad guy might kill someone if they have to, but an evil person (psychopath) enjoys it. so being a bad person can just be that maybe your a little stuck up, but being evil is ENJOYING your evil, enjoying killing, stealing, making others suffer. Every wrong act makes you happier. that is the difference.
May 29, 2019 at 8:35 am #37218LelaGuest
Yea, although I don’t think we should say there’s no hope for them, anyone can be saved, though we are talking about rabbits…
May 29, 2019 at 8:39 am #37220Audrey AlexanderGuest
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
May 29, 2019 at 8:35 am #37219Audrey AlexanderGuest
And also not everyone knows what is good and what is not. take Kyle for instance. He completely believes he’s in the good. And he’s not. Now, granted that’s most likely because Tameth Seer is in his head, but that just adds to the example.
And as far as being forgiven, yes. Anyone can be forgiven no matter what they’ve done.
May 29, 2019 at 10:14 am #37223Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Umm there isn’t any hope for Daggler and Vitton… they were killed right? Audrey that is exactly what I was trying to say. Do you agree Kate?
May 29, 2019 at 10:15 am #37224Kate H.Guest
Okay, where I am it’s 8:15 and I just woke up, so give me a sec to read all this.
May 29, 2019 at 10:15 am #37225Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Oh that message^ was the 500th reply. Wow!
May 29, 2019 at 10:16 am #37226Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Mine was not Kate’s, We are now up to 503
May 29, 2019 at 10:30 am #37227Kate H.Guest
Thanks for the point about Daggler being evil for a long time, Artham, that really helped! I’m kind of embarrassed I forgot about that part because that is one of my favourite fight scenes in the books!
There is only one thing I need to say (and other than this point, you guys got me!). Garten started this war. Garten was there at every evil deed done (Victory Day, Smalls almost dying, Emma’s (almost) abduction, Heather’s meeting with Morbin, Heather’s stabbing, etc.) and he looked at what he did with pride. He truly believes in what he does, no matter who he has to get out of the way to do it.
Daggler was so evil, we expected nothing but evil from him. Garten seems more humane, like he is capable of changing, but we know he won’t. He sees himself fail, yet he keeps going and trying again.
So it’s stark, even insane, evil versus the evil that is done in a right mind, whether victory comes its way or not.
How do I choose?
May 29, 2019 at 11:06 am #37228Audrey AlexanderGuest
good summary, Kate. I think Daggler and Vitton are the worst, and I think there’s a lot of argument to back that up.
And, yeah, I guess they are dead…
At any rate, I think the majority vote Daggler and Vitton for most evil! (take that, Garten!)
May 29, 2019 at 11:12 am #37229Audrey AlexanderGuest
WOW! That’s crazy, over 500! I’ve been trying to get one of my friends to take a look at this discussion page since she’s such a Green Ember nerd;) The problem is she doesn’t have internet at her house, so she could only talk when she’s at the library, or my house. But not to worry, I’ll bug her about it until she agrees. 🙂
May 28, 2019 at 7:41 pm #37194Audrey AlexanderGuest
I knew I was forgetting one of those evil rabbits…
May 28, 2019 at 4:48 pm #37162Audrey AlexanderGuest
I didn’t think of this till now… like weeks after I told everyone I hadn’t read the Wingfeather Saga books… is this discussion page allowed for people who haven’t read the Wingfeather Saga? I mean, I didn’t really think much about it before, but now I’m just thinking you made this discussion page, Ian, so if you decide it’s only for people who have read the Wingfeather Saga, then that’s that. I have not read the Wingdfeather Saga, and I probably won’t be reading it for a while, if I’m to be honest with myself. I would understand if I need to find a different discussion page.
May 28, 2019 at 5:18 pm #37164
Audrey, you are absolutely welcome here. 🙂
May 28, 2019 at 5:31 pm #37165Ian G.Guest
It’s not a problem at all. As of recently, I hardly ever actually discuss Wingfeather Saga related things in the forums, as odd as that may be.
May 28, 2019 at 5:40 pm #37166
Given how much Andrew loves celebrating other writers and musicians, I’m pretty sure he’ll be okay with that. 😉
May 28, 2019 at 5:41 pm #37167Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
If this forum excluded people based on what books they read then I would probably leave. But seriously read the Winfeather Sagag not because you have to but because it is amazing.
May 28, 2019 at 5:46 pm #37168Audrey AlexanderGuest
cool. thanks, guys. That is nice to know. And I WILL at some point buy the first Wingfeather Saga book. HEY, when I read it, I will already have decent people to discuss it with.
May 28, 2019 at 5:55 pm #37171KalebGuest
Back to the Black star of Kingston. Personally,I thought it was a little boring. My favorite part of the book was probably when lander snuck on board or maybe Gavin repeating Coming,Coming, Coming, Coming, Terreros,Coming!
May 28, 2019 at 5:59 pm #37172KalebGuest
Madame Sidler, welcome to the forum.
May 28, 2019 at 7:54 pm #37195
Thank you, Kaleb. 🙂
May 28, 2019 at 6:40 pm #37179Kate H.Guest
1. Whitby Joveson (I also accept Jupiterson. Spelling doesn’t count.)
2. Dried beans.
3. Wisp, Gripple, and Dote.
4. Garlen Canton.
May 28, 2019 at 7:11 pm #37186Ian G.Guest
Oof. Only 2 right.
I remembered the Tunneller’s likely heir having a name, but I din’t remember what it was, as it was seemingly unimportant. Which makes me wonder; will he be in the next story?
May 29, 2019 at 9:00 am #37221LelaGuest
I hope the escape attempt works.
May 29, 2019 at 9:05 am #37222LelaGuest
You know, I wonder if in the next book, there will be a place where Jacks has a choice of joining the wrong side, or helping save somebody?
May 29, 2019 at 1:59 pm #37231kalebGuest
That would be cool, but what if they killed garten and then he became the officer but was a spy. Now that would be cool. Then, morbin would find out and he through him in the cave of the stone sword. he found the sword, and had amazing moves and gets out with everybody he loves. He tells the data, then they weaken morons forces until the surrender or are all killed. That would be a good ending. But sadly, Captain Helmer dies with all the other Fowlers besides Picket and Heather the medic. They grieve over it and Heather commits betrayal.
May 29, 2019 at 2:04 pm #37232Ian G.Guest
CONGRATULATIONS everyone! I just checked, and this discussion thread has the most replies out of any on this website by a long shot. Thank you, Artham, Audrey, Kate H., Gryffindor Girl, Kaleb, and Madame Sidler for making all of this great discussion!
I know I mentioned this a while back, but would you all want a new thread to discuss on? I’m thinking of starting Ember Rising Discussion Vol. 2 today, since we reached 500 and all. You could continue any ongoing discussions/debates here, but use Volume 2 for any new ideas/questions/debates. That way it might be easier to find specific conversations.
May 29, 2019 at 2:21 pm #37233Kate H.Guest
Yeah, that’s a good idea. I think we’ve resolved most of the debates/discussion on here anyway. I’ll try to think of some polarizing topics so we can dive right back into it in Vol. 2.
May 29, 2019 at 2:35 pm #37237KalebGuest
Would it be called Ember rising discussion 2?
May 29, 2019 at 2:34 pm #37235KalebGuest
Congratulations S D Smith
May 29, 2019 at 2:35 pm #37236Ian G.Guest
Volume 2 is now up!
May 29, 2019 at 2:41 pm #37239KalebGuest
So what about that comment about heather. If that would happen, that would be a little messed up.
May 29, 2019 at 2:48 pm #37241KalebGuest
You forgot Lela in the congratulations.
May 29, 2019 at 3:08 pm #37252Ian G.Guest
Oh, you’re right! Sorry Lela! Thank you too for the discussion!
(how did I miss that?)
May 30, 2019 at 8:13 am #37373LelaGuest
Don’t worry, I’m obviously very oblivious. 🙂
May 31, 2019 at 8:02 pm #37536LelaGuest
Sorry, I mean to insignificant.
September 17, 2019 at 6:44 pm #40626Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
Hi everyone I took a break for a while and still won’t be able to do much but I will post from time to time. How do we get awards on the green ember site and what is The Citadel Lords? Oh and one more can you have more than one admin, if so you should make Ian and Audrey admins because they have been around a long time.
September 17, 2019 at 6:45 pm #40627Sun Wukong (Artham)Guest
whoops I meant to put that in the All things green ember chat sorry
February 17, 2020 at 11:47 am #43769Janquan fettGuest
Everybody hold up! what in the world was that ending!!!! It was horrible. She Died! Will there be another book
February 17, 2020 at 11:51 am #43771
There will! It’s coming out this spring, in fact! Officially it releases in April, but preorders ship on March 2. More info here.
February 17, 2020 at 8:20 pm #43784Ian G.Guest
Beat me to it!
February 18, 2020 at 5:14 pm #43787Ian G.Guest
Did she die though? Not yet. And it seems someone else might not have either (Smalls, that is)…
There are a few theories and such floating around as to how Heather might survive, one being Jone’s tonic. She used it on Master Mills, who she thought for sure was dying. Later, she sees him aiding the escape from Akolan, apparently not dead. She still has the tonic with her, so that may be important.
For more discussion and theories, as well as fan art, fan fiction, etc., I suggest you check out New Seddleton. Most of the people who were in this page’s discussion are over there. We’d love to see you there!
February 18, 2020 at 5:15 pm #43788Ian G.Guest
Oops. Meant that to be a reply to Janquann’s comment.
February 19, 2020 at 10:22 am #43796Janquan fettGuest
Thank goodness there is another book being released. I thought Ember Rising was the final book. I was horrified. I am excited for the next book. I hope baby yoda shows up and deafeats Morbin
February 19, 2020 at 3:57 pm #43822Rebekah12Guest
My thoughts exactly when I read Ember Rising. The ending totally caught me off guard, especially since Heather is my favorite character.
I can only imagine what Baby Yoda killing Morbin would look like. . .
I almost want to write a fanfiction about it.
February 19, 2020 at 11:08 pm #43824
Ha! That would be something. I wonder if S.D. Smith is taking fan suggestions.
July 6, 2020 at 8:32 pm #51028Ian G.Guest
Well, seeing as these forums are sailing off into the West tomorrow (or the Utter East, if you prefer a Lewis reference), I feel obligated to mention New Seddleton one last time. It’s a Green Ember fan community forum founded by some of us who used to discuss GE on this site. It’s a great little community if I may say so, and I highly suggest checking it out if you would like to continue discussing this series!
You can take a look at https://luvgreenember.wixsite.com/newseddleton
(Fyi, I’m going to make this post in every GE-relayed thread.)
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