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June 6, 2020 at 12:22 pm #49956JashtonGuest
In “The Warden and the Wolf King” the ancient stones used to turn the people into fangs were simply shards of the ancient stones found in the chamber beneath the Castle Risen (I listened to the audio-books so if I spell anything wrong bear with me). Nag’s plan was to obtain a stone that was whole and therefore strong enough to imbue him with the flesh of a more powerful creature. When his plan was finally revealed, however, something didn’t sit right with me.
The problem is this: the only place to get one of these stones is from the Feign of Fire which is a space clearly designed by the Maker Himself. This means that the Maker created these stones along with their power to fuse together two beings. If he created the stones then he made them to respond to the song of the stones and if this is the case we can assume that the Maker also wrote this song. Why then did the Maker create such an artifact? Why did he write the song? If the stones were used as they were intended and not for evil, how would they be used?
June 6, 2020 at 12:23 pm #49957JashtonGuest
Here’s what we know:
– The Ancient Stones are not meant to leave the Feign of Fire. They are not given to everyone freely but are kept safe from all but the royal family.
– The Ancient Stones drain life in a way that runs contrary to everything we know about the Maker. His magic is a gift that flows from himself and into his people. Magic Stones that suck the life out of innocent creatures seems a lot more like the dark magic of other stories than Holy Magic given by a loving Creator. The Stones, therefore, do not exist to transfer essence between people and animals or even people and people – that’s not how magic works.
– Someone knew how to use the Stones. The Stones are not just decorations that happen to have magic or else no one would know the song, and no one would think to sing to them in the presence of an animal. It’s not the logical thing to do upon finding a glowing rock unless you have some idea of what the rock will do. We must, therefore, assume that whatever the Stones’ purpose, they have been used by people correctly before they fell into the hands of Nag and Will.
– The Ancient Stone used by Nag is not the only one. The chamber is full of these stones and therefore what Nag views as a special power must actually be quite common to the Maker.
– The Feign of Fire is where the Maker walks with the King. Other than the Stones, the one thing we know for sure exists in the chamber is the Maker himself, the one thing we know happens is a special communion between the Maker and the King. We have no reason to suppose the space is used for anything else.
June 6, 2020 at 12:24 pm #49958JashtonGuest
With all this in mind, here’s what I think: The Ancient Stones exist so that the King of Aniera and the Maker can be one. They exist so that a Holy Fellowship can form between them for the entirety of the King’s life. This explains why the Stones are in the Feign of Fire with the Maker and the King and it explains why He would create such a dark tool. It isn’t dark at all. The stones drain the life and essence from the creatures and leave them as a husk, because they have a limited amount of life inside them. The Stones were created to draw life out of an infinite source of life, to fill the singer of the song with an unceasing power and even then you need a whole hall of them to work properly.
Each generation, the King of Aniera would enter the chamber, walk with the Maker, sing the song of the Ancient Stones, and become one with Him. He would exit the chamber equipped to lead his people for decades, in righteousness. This is why, in a world of humans just as broken as we are, a single family could reign in godly light since the creation of the world. Each king has the Maker dwelling inside him in a very real way – his bones are imbued with His essence.
June 6, 2020 at 12:24 pm #49959JashtonGuest
What this ends up looking like is the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit in real life. We do not just walk with our Maker, we are filled with Him. We become one with Him. He abides in us and we abide in Him. When we have the Holy Spirit inside us we take on God’s attributes, we think like Him, we act like him. The Fangs didn’t just look like the creatures, they became like them, down to the bone. Likewise, we can become like God when He enters into us. It is for this reason that I also believe Janner probably did not stay dead. Because it was Christ’s death that redeemed us, but his resurrection which reunited us with God. If Jesus stayed dead we could not have been baptized by the Holy Spirit. In the same way, Janner’s death reconciled the Fangs and Cloven with their humanity, he restored Tink but when the story ends he has not been wholly filled with the Maker’s life. The chamber cannot be opened unless Janner lives and it will only be his resurrection that allows for Tink to be imbued with the Maker’s Spirit.
June 6, 2020 at 12:25 pm #49960JashtonGuest
This theory also makes Nag’s story all the more tragic. He was born to be King, which means, had he not been kidnapped, he would have entered the chamber and sung the song on his own. Nag wanted to become beautiful by fusing with the most powerful creature in Aerwiar (which he thought was Yurgon). The stones used properly, however, existed to make him beautiful by infusing him with the powerful Creator of Aerwiar. His tragedy is that he was misled into chasing his birthright apart from the Maker – if he had only known it would have been given freely. Nag was a rightful king, could he have ventured down to the Feign and meet the Maker without trespassing? Would he have been met with mercy? I think so.
June 6, 2020 at 12:25 pm #49961JashtonGuest
Sing the song of the Ancient Stones, and the Breath of the Maker imbues your bones.
What do you think of this theory? Is there anything I’m overlooking? Any cool implications worth mentioning? Any alternative ideas as to what the Ancients Stones are really designed to do?
June 8, 2020 at 12:51 pm #50070Wingiby IggibyGuest
Whoa, Jashton, you have really done some thinking! I never even stopped to contemplate all that before, and it actually makes sense.
The stones also kept the world alive, if I remember right, and that was their main purpose. But that whole concept with the King and the Maker is something I never thought of. It really adds depth to the story, and yeah, it makes Gnag’s tale so much more tragic! You must have done a lot of deep thinking, and I don’t have anything to add at the moment, except that perhaps you ought to compile all of your writings about this into a short “Fane of Fire” documentory! It would totally help all us other Flabbits grasp this concept!
June 8, 2020 at 11:33 pm #50097Miss MaryGuest
I think your theory of what they are and what they are for is as good as any other I have heard. I think (but can’t remember clearly) that it said somewhere in one of the books that the Maker intended them to be used for healing but Ouster Will has stolen them and twisted them to a darker purpose.
I have no idea if the stones are USED by the king in the fane (or feign or however you spell it) or not. We know they are there, where the Ruler meets with the Maker, and that they are mysterious and powerful. Don’t know if their power is something the Maker did so that He could use them to transfer his Life to the ruler, or if His presence is such that even the nearby rocks can’t help but be changed into something amazing. Either way, it is amazing to think about.
I couldn’t help but speculate about all those stones and Yurgen’s tomb (or was it crypt…whatever, where Nugget went to be buried by the sea dragons with the heros). It makes me think that someday there will come a time when the heros of old will be needed again and the kind of power that is in a whole cave of those stones might be needed. I have no idea how that works though…pure speculation.
As far as the part about Janner, I don’t know if the first well works or not, but I would be careful about pushing the analogy to Jesus too far. The books don’t have a single savior character. At various times in the books you will see EVERY major character acting like Jesus in some way for the people (or cloven) around them and at other times all of those same characters fall short and need the Maker’s mercy. It is very much like what the Church is in some ways.
Kal may still have the chance to walk the Fane with or without Janner. My sister pointed out to me that Artham is also a throne warden. He can work with his neice and nephew to open the door, so the way is still open (and is it ever REALLY closed? Janner didn’t get to walk it, but the Maker found him just the same).
There is a lot to think about, and it amazes me how rich the implications of it all are, especially knowing that Andrew was writing a story, not trying to make a theological treatise…but here we are thinking about the depths of God’s desires for His people just the same.
June 30, 2020 at 4:23 pm #50693Denali ChristiansonGuest
Wow Jashton!!!!!!! That was IMPRESSIVE!!!!! I think that’s the best theory I’ve heard. Here’s my (much, much shallower) theory, which has to do with why Artham was able to sing the song the second time and why Esben was able to sing and they both were still themselves, just wrapped in the body of an animal:
When the fangs sing the song, they are singing it for themselves. For power. And selfish power has led to the downfall of nation after nation after nation, leader after leader after leader. But when Artham and Esben sang it, they sang it selflessly. They weren’t singing it as an act of power. They weren’t singing it to gain something. They sang it because they knew if they did, they would be in a much better state to protect those they loved. So when Artham and Esben sang, they were singing out of love. This ultimately comes down to the scripture verse (paraphrased because I don’t remember it exactly) Love drives out fear, or love is the opposite of fear, or something to that effect. Anyway, when the children and adults in the Deeps of Throg and the Fortress of the Phoobs sang the song, it was ultimately out of fear. Fear of the stone keeper, fear of torture, fear to continue in the drudgery of every day life. They sang it out of fear, thinking that power would save them. But they only lost themselves. When Artham and Esben sang, they sang out of love for their children and family. Therefore there was no fear involved, or very little of it.
Okay those are my thoughts. Doesn’t really address the life getting sucked out thing, but I think Jashton found the answer for that.
Throne Warden in Christ,
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